There’s truth in that. We could name all kinds of things from all over the world. Stalin, pol pot and many more.
If you can find one with moral high ground, let me know. How ever in the here and now, both started yet more wars.
For those of you that want to fight to the last Ukranian
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If you can find one with moral high ground, let me know. How ever in the here and now, both started yet more wars.
In the here and now Europe and the U.S. are on moral high ground by
giving just sufficient aid to Ukraine for it not to lose in a protracted war
too soon at the expense of Ukrainian lives. I am sure future military
intervention and invasion instigated by NATO/U.S. will be launched
from high moral ground as well.
They are quite upfront about what they want. They want an Islamic Caliphate ruling the region and that means the removal of the Jewish presence.
Early on, Hamas was mainly engaged in social and community actions and were widely seen as less interested in terrorism than Fatah and the PLO. Sadly that has inverted and now Hamas sees ridding the region of Jews as far more important that a Palestinian state.
But sadly you go with conspiracy theories instead of well documented facts.
Except the many that existed. You just have a racial belief that Jews must be lying and Arabs are incompetent so you need to invent your own reality.
The UN, EU, Canada, Arab League, Israel, and even the PA accept land swaps will be part of the deal. The only argument is which land and how much.
And as usual with you, you simply want to make excuses to avoid the content of my post. Olmert made a comprehensive offer in 2008 and Abbas walked away without any counterproposal and Hamas chose terrorism.
Sorry but humans don't see terror attacks and kidnapping of elderly women and infants as legitimate diplomacy.
Are you suggesting Russia wasn't as big part of WWI and WWII? Or the Holodomor?
The anti-Jewish violence in the region is older that Israel.
Hamas traces a direct line back to the Nazi Grand Mufti and his incitement against Jewish immigrants.
Well sure but Israel was doing that before Oct 7th under the term "administrative detention"
sure but Israel refused to incorporate any langauge to ensure the landswaps were fair and equitable. Now WHY is that?
the facts about the Holomdor are contestable. Ukraine likess to frame it as a genocideal act targeted at them, but there is no definitive documentation that Stalin directly ordered the mass murder of Ukrainians.[33][34] Barkan et al. state that the term Holodomor was "introduced and popularized by the Ukrainian diaspora in North America before Ukraine became independent" and that the term 'Holocaust' in reference to the famine "is not explained at all."[35] Russians died as well. AFIK Russia did not start WWI or II but they certainly played a big role in ending WWII.
So therefore you think genocide is justified?
Because you have hateful racist attitudes towards Palestinians?
No peace deals every existed.
None were passed.
There is only an apartheid, 75 year occupation that is being ruled on by the ICJ.
No, there are no agreements about land swaps.
There is no reason why Israel should be allowed to keep any illegal settlements or any part of Palestine.
But you think genocide is legit?
Russia had its share of atrocities committed. That doesn't change
the fact that it is the more developed parts of the world who won
hands down on warmongering. Just count the number of countries
British military have invaded. My guess is the number falls somewhere
between 100 and 200.
I just have a different definition of what genocide is. The RSF killing Africans is genocide. The Myanmar government killing Rohingya was a genocide. Israel fighting Hamas isn't.
Except the UN, Arab league, Israel, and the PA all accept that it could be part of peace (which you object to).
And you keep claiming that descendants of Palestinian refugees have the "Right of Return" because they fled their homes during the war. At the same time, you think the descendants of Jews chased out of Hebron and ethnically cleansed from East Jerusalem by the Jordanian army don't have a right to return.
But thanks for clarifying once again that you think Jews shouldn't be in Palestine.
So you consider Russia uncivilized? That seems a rather antiquated view, especially as you cheer them on.
The second part is exactly true. In every case because Arab and Palestinian leaders rejected them.
1937, 1947, 2000, 2001, 2008, ... every time Israel said okay to peace while the Arab leaders, Arafat, and Abbas refused and Hamas chose violence.
Oilsky, what is the biggest country in the world?
And how tiny was Muscovy before the Muscovites started killing, genociding and massacring all the people around them and taking their land?
Go look up how Muscovy genocided the Kazan Tartars, the Kazakhs, the Bashkirs, the Yakuts, etc etc etc. Just because you don't inform yourself about this stuff doesn't mean it didn't happen. Rightsky, komrad?
