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Toronto's Gardiner Expressway to go down to four lanes for 3 years

basketcase

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I mean, I understand that these repairs need to be done....but damn, three years??? Anyone that needs to get downtown should start thinking about parking at the subway stations (Kipling, Warden, Vaughan, etc) and taking the subway in, or if you're farther in the burbs, take a GO train....Going to be BRUTAL for traffic in a city already known for its horrible traffic...
Sadly the same anti-tax talking point keeps the TTC from improving.
 

Ponderling

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This one is a design build job, and I was on a losing consortium that priced this work up.

This one is a bit different from past rehabs, which were just re-deckings.

This time they have to rehab by fully rebuild some of the supporting piers
Called 'bents' since it is really 2 piers and a transverse cross beam that supports the longitudinal support girders.

So build temporary supports, on what is essentially really crappy land fill dumped on the south side of the railways to fill in a lakeside swamp about 120 years ago, to hold the girders up while bent is replaced.

No surprise to me.
Our company was doing design and contract inspection to put band aids on these bents about 20 years ago.
That job drilled deep holes in the end of the cracking cross beams.
Then sticking a long stud about 3 feet long in and epoxying it at the deepest part.
Then the plan after deep epoxy had set was to tighten the nut with a big plate under it on the protruding end to close up a bunch of cracks in the concrete.
Which also had epoxy injected in the biggest cracks to hold them together, and tighten the bolt while that epoxy was still soft.

Problem was about 30% of the long bolt holes did not find solid undeteriorated concrete to anchor to.

Sometimes you price a job, look at all the warts and risk items in it.
And find you have lost the bid, and get a wee smile, and say a silent 'thank god'.
 

oral.com

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Sadly the same anti-tax talking point keeps the TTC from improving.
Have you taken the TTC lately ? It’s down or delayed 25% of the time I am forced to take it.
Forced, because of downtown gridlock.

Get rid of those nostalgic but utterly unnecessary and dangerous streetcars.

Bike lanes belong on quiet side streets. To put them on busy main roads, is dangerous and disingenuous.

How about planning construction projects. It appears like no one sees the big picture. How many times do the same roads get torn up, resurfaced and torn up again
 

rhuarc29

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Sorry but Toronto's tax rate is lower than every other city in the region other than Hamilton.

In a western style democracy, taxes are what is used to pay for services. Yes there is waste in any bureaucracy but that's been a feature of every government in the history of the world and that's not going be stopped no matter what Toronto does. All that happens by the "cost cutting" politicians is to keep voters in the dark as infrastructure falls apart (and the US is in far worse states).
Yes, and eventually the bloat gets so big that the wheels grind to a halt. You either remain constantly vigilant in the fight against it or you let it run to the point it causes the destruction of our economy and standard of living. Guess what. Infrastructure falls apart then too.
A responsible western government strives for efficiency, so that money is always available to go to the things we truly need.
 

MrPrezident

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Red House over yonder.
Taking this down to our little micro economy here, this will push even more of the escort business to Markham, North York, the airport, and Etobicoke.

I think the airport and Markham areas for incall will be in the most favorable positions due to existing hotel capacity.

The downtown outcall side might be hit hard because it will be especially difficult to travel in and out of downtown. Look for additional downtown retail, hotel, and restaurant closings. Downtown and Yorkville condo prices will probably fall relative to North York.

Right now the government here should be thinking about taking out bike paths on just some of the main East-West and North-South streets to increase traffic capacity back to what it was before the bike path mania crippled traffic flows.

This could be a great boost for tourism in Montreal. QEW repair must be done but it will be municipal malpractice if no car traffic triage is put into place.

While you are at it, please build some parking lots and decks around areas like Boor-Ossington so that people can actually park and transport things they would like to buy.
 
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The main purpose of this closure is to control how many cars come into the city. Discouraging people to take their car down in hopes to reduce city grid lock.

QEW commuters are the most abused class in the GTA. Mississauga Road <-> 427 has been pure hell last few years (even stretching before the pandemic).
 

JackBurton

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The main purpose of this closure is to control how many cars come into the city. Discouraging people to take their car down in hopes to reduce city grid lock.

QEW commuters are the most abused class in the GTA. Mississauga Road <-> 427 has been pure hell last few years (even stretching before the pandemic).
They should just put tolls on the QEW and gardiner instead.

Btw 3 yrs? It’s ain’t getting done in 3 yrs. More like 10.
 

GameBoy27

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What about that ramp at the eastern end of the Gardner? Aren't they gonna rebuild that?
Nope, and it makes life hell for anyone who's trying to make their way east/west across the bottom of the city.
 

basketcase

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Yes, and eventually the bloat gets so big that the wheels grind to a halt. You either remain constantly vigilant in the fight against it or you let it run to the point it causes the destruction of our economy and standard of living. Guess what. Infrastructure falls apart then too.
A responsible western government strives for efficiency, so that money is always available to go to the things we truly need.
But every candidate who runs on a 'drain the swamp' platform ends up doing nothing about the bloat; often simply replacing inefficiencies with outright corruption. Sure you can blame the system but that doesn't get stuff fixed. It's only my view but I'd rather have the Gardiner fixed is a slow, expensive way than have chunks fall on me just so some slimy politician can con a few self-obsessed voters into voting for them.
 

JackBurton

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But every candidate who runs on a 'drain the swamp' platform ends up doing nothing about the bloat; often simply replacing inefficiencies with outright corruption. Sure you can blame the system but that doesn't get stuff fixed. It's only my view but I'd rather have the Gardiner fixed is a slow, expensive way than have chunks fall on me just so some slimy politician can con a few self-obsessed voters into voting for them.
Right there with you! Remember that time Rob Ford called for an audit to find the inefficiencies in Toronto? They found about 3 million dollars in savings.

Then the auditor charged them 3 million dollars for the audit.
 
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