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No More Toll Roads in Ontario

bver_hunter

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Whiff still batting 0.00% Beaver. Maybe some balm will help salve that stinging.

you are deflecting from lightbulbs going off for you once again. Nor are you using your memory much. Just a few weeks ago when you thought you knew better and I was a die hard Righty.

I had to turn on a switch and
1) tip you off to credit ratings
2) give you a link to Ontarios credit being downgraded under Ford and why
3) link you to things Drummond had to say
4) many times blame you and Ford for increasing deficits. And wanting wanting wanting wanting.You can’t even connect these dots.

See just above above. We should add more tolls Mr pretender economist.

That’s a pretty bad memory you have there Beaver when you can’t even recall post/threads from a few weeks ago. Nor connect two dots within a few post.

whiff whiff whiff whiff
And you still have no idea why you guys are all batting 0.00%
Hey Getting Older and Older by the second, we all know that your waffling and gibberish is going from bad to worse.
Obviously, you hate the bad news that Ford has only added to the deficits that is now worse than the Wynn Govt.
But if you think that your idol called Dougie Boy is fiscally responsible then this is a something that is related to the 407ETR:

Documents reveal Ford government opted not to pursue $1-billion penalty from 407 Express Toll Route

The Ford government opted against pursuing approximately $1 billion in penalties from the owner of the 407 Express Toll Route when traffic levels fell below a contractual target during the pandemic.

Internal documents obtained by the Star reveal months of negotiations between ministry officials and the private operator ended with the government not seeking compensation. Nor is there evidence that the government requested tolls be lowered to increase traffic volumes.

Last December, the Ministry of Transportation declined to answer questions about whether it was giving COVID-related rebates to the highway’s owner, 407 International Inc., which is majority-owned by Canada Pension Plan Investments on behalf of more than 20 million Canadian public pension plan contributors and beneficiaries.
 

squeezer

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I think it was a savvy political move as I did for Chow to give the cops the money they seek. The same with eliminating having to renew your sticker because most are forgetting without having to pay for it. I drive quite a bit on the highways and anyone putting in tolls would lose my vote. I give the cheesecake baking fat man props!!!!
 
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Frankfooter

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Are there actually any tolls on any highways in Ontario other than the 407? And not blaming Ford for the 407 … that contract is Iron Clad and could not be taken down by any stripe unless they buy the highway back.

But just wondering what current cost this cost saving announcement is actually addressing?
That's the only toll.
But don't forget that that DoFo let the owners of the 407 get away with not paying the $1 billion in penalties they owed the province.

 

Frankfooter

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I think it was a savvy political move as I did for Chow to give the cops the money they seek. The same with eliminating having to renew your sticker because most are forgetting without having to pay for it. I drive quite a bit on the highways and anyone putting in tolls would lose my vote. I give the cheesecake baking fat man props!!!!
The no sticker renewal was a gift for commuters, the only issue is that most drivers forget to renew since they don't have to pay and then get stuck with fines.
DoFo apparently will kill the renewal of plates as well.

 

Not getting younger

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Hey Getting Older and Older by the second, we all know that your waffling and gibberish is going from bad to worse.
Obviously, you hate the bad news that Ford has only added to the deficits that is now worse than the Wynn Govt.
But if you think that your idol called Dougie Boy is fiscally responsible then this is a something that is related to the 407ETR:

Documents reveal Ford government opted not to pursue $1-billion penalty from 407 Express Toll Route



Whateve Beaver, clearly there is a lot you have serious problems grasping. I’d suggest growing up, or getting real life experience.

Byw is there anything you know how to do other than deflect when you have squat to counter and have stepped in the pool of “you don’t know what you are talking about?

Btw 2.
U ASS me I am ok with that. Lmao at you.
Leave it to beaver.you are child’s play. The real life people I deal with……….Theyd eat for you breakfast in a heartbeat. Fact and if you think I don’t know how to read people or rooms. Clearly, you don’t live in the real world.

WHIFF, you’re still batting 0.00
 
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bver_hunter

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Whateve Beaver, clearly there is a lot you have serious problems grasping. I’d suggest growing up, or getting real life experience.

Byw is there anything you know how to do other than deflect when you have squat to counter and have stepped in the pool of “you don’t know what you are talking about?

Btw 2.
U ASS me I am ok with that. Lmao at you.
Leave it to beaver.you are child’s play.
WHIFF, you’re still batting 0.00
Hey you have aged severely since your last post.
At times you forget to look at the thread titles and then go on waffling with your usual gibberish.
You are now the biggest deflector. Sheldon you better get Mama to sing "Soft Kitty, Warm Kitty" when she puts you to bed tonight:


ROTFLMAO!!
 

Not getting younger

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That's nonsense. You libbys want immigration so you need to deal with the consequences.
Not really Tom. The Mcwynne Liberals and voting public dug a very deep hole. On top of that, they made a god awful mess of things. And stuck their heads in the sand and watched a key component of GDP and people take it on the chin and whither on the vine…

Take Hydro alone. What’s been done about this in 15 years? Kinda like LTCs and 30 years of neglect ( and ignoring warnings about Boomers) and the public not giving two shits about it, until….but once they did, my oh my Ford started finding the $$.

In 2010 a highly regarded with impeccable and irrefutable credentials had to called in. They cherry picked the friendliest they could find. He ripped them new ones. While he had a lot to say, an awful lot. Among them were, we had to hold expenses AND find ways to raise revenue………no one listened, especially the left.

in 2019 (?) Ontarios credit rating was downgraded yet again. Why? Ford was reducing revenue. Has he balanced a budget since? When was the last time Ontario balanced a budget?

One more fact. “Climate change” and changing people’s habits. The simplest, easiest, fairest “tax”…slapping tolls on major highways. Would also catch people driving toy cars and not doing their share.

funny that.
 
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TomFord1980

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Not really Tom. The Mcwynne Liberals and voting public dug a very deep hole. On top of that, they made a god awful mess of things. And stuck their heads in the sand and watched a key component of GDP and people take it on the chin and whither on the vine…

Take Hydro alone. What’s been done about this in 15 years? Kinda like LTCs and 30 years of neglect ( and ignoring warnings about Boomers) and the public not giving two shits about it, until….but once they did, my oh my Ford started finding the $$.

In 2010 a highly regarded with impeccable and irrefutable credentials had to called in. They cherry picked the friendliest they could find. He ripped them new ones. While he had a lot to say, an awful lot. Among them were, we had to hold expenses AND find ways to raise revenue………no one listened, especially the left.

in 2019 (?) Ontarios credit rating was downgraded yet again. Why? Ford was reducing revenue. Has he balanced a budget since? When was the last time Ontario balanced a budget?

One more fact. “Climate change” and changing people’s habits. The simplest, easiest, fairest “tax”…slapping tolls on major highways. Would also catch people driving toy cars and not doing their share.

funny that.
🤣 climate change. The biggest grift of them all. The liberals will welcome anything, no matter how crooked, to increase taxation.

They also don't like to admit that immigration is a major factor in GTA congestion. Why? Because most immigrants end up voting Libby due to their racially divisive policies by calling white people and the system racist.

1 million people came into the country last year. Use your common sense. The majority will need to drive cars to get from A to B. Result: more congestion.
 

Skoob

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That's the only toll.
But don't forget that that DoFo let the owners of the 407 get away with not paying the $1 billion in penalties they owed the province.
That's a very over-simplified misleading comment without delving into the legal and contractual details. But I guess that wouldn't jive with your usual narrative.
 

squeezer

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That's a very over-simplified misleading comment without delving into the legal and contractual details. But I guess that wouldn't jive with your usual narrative.
Yeah, I guess Mike Harris created the clad iron contract with the 407 so they can keep getting richer and richer while we have to listen to the righties crying about all the taxes they have to pay. LOL
 
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Skoob

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Yeah, I guess Mike Harris created the clad iron contract with the 407 so they can keep getting richer and richer while we have to listen to the righties crying about all the taxes they have to pay. LOL
Actually no.
The contract was amended in 2015.
Who was running the province in 2015?

I'll wait...
 

bver_hunter

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You are obviously not aware that the government isn't going to waste money on making the switch.
You were the one that came out with a ridiculous statement by claiming that it was a "Private Company".
See how you try to wiggle your way out of your ridiculous statement. What is this "Switch" that you are referring to?
 
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