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richaceg

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You think they chose foreign occupation for the last 75 years?
No they chose violence when they massacre jews in the early 1900s...But this isn't about Palestinians...this is about Hamas....there's a difference....Palestinians could consist of civilians living in gaza and the west bank...Hamas are terrorists who target anybody they hate....civilians, children and women...
 

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a) The fact that another 27000 could die is a war crime and genocide. People who want the hostages out and prioritize them will negotiate and not kill 27000 more. b) What makes you think this war is even about releasing hostages or that Israel cares about them? It isnt and they don't. c) If I was Hamas, no, I would not release hostages until and unless Israel agrees to stop the war entirely. Why would I agree to Bibi's proposal for a 2 month or a 2 week ceasefire only to resume attacks on civilians, while I have no leverage?
Your approach to this issue gives a green light to every would-be kidnapper around the world. Shameful.
 

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Maybe it's time to reconsider releasing hostages to stop the suffering of Palestinians....what is hamas waiting for?
Maybe they're waiting for 2 ICJ decisions finding that they are committing war crimes? Or 4? Or 100?
 

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It's better than your approach of enabling every Nazi in the world and green lighting genocide. Shameful would be an understatement. More like insidious.
You'd already written enough to be ashamed about. No need to add to it. Condoning the illegal detention of civilian hostages to the point of recommending it as a strategy. I never thought anyone would lose their moral bearings that dramatically. Even here on TERB.
 
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richaceg

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a) The fact that another 27000 could die is a war crime and genocide. People who want the hostages out and prioritize them will negotiate and not kill 27000 more. b) What makes you think this war is even about releasing hostages or that Israel cares about them? It isnt and they don't. c) If I was Hamas, no, I would not release hostages until and unless Israel agrees to stop the war entirely. Why would I agree to Bibi's proposal for a 2 month or a 2 week ceasefire only to resume attacks on civilians, while I have no leverage?
That's the thing...."27000 could die" is the phrase you need to look in here...it's potential outcome when you turn gaza into a warzone....Now if you are Hamas, what would be your steps to make sure it doesn'thappen?
 

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That's the thing...."27000 could die" is the phrase you need to look in here...it's potential outcome when you turn gaza into a warzone....Now if you are Hamas, what would be your steps to make sure it doesn'thappen?
Its not Hamas, Netanyahu wants a final solution.
 

richaceg

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It's better than your approach of enabling every Nazi in the world and green lighting genocide. Shameful would be an understatement. More like insidious.
I get it, Israel committing genocide is your perversion, a fantasy you hope will happen...that's how much you hate jews...you wish 20k palestinian dies just so you can have the world condemn jews...not gonna happen...hasn't happen for 75 years.
 

richaceg

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Its not Hamas, Netanyahu wants a final solution.
what does Hamas want franky? You keep putting words in Bibi's mouth....and do your own interpretation which is always wrong...
Here's a clear statement without the need of interpretation...
Goals of the HAMAS:
"The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine." (Article 6)

On the destruction of Israel:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (Preamble)

The exclusive Moslem nature of the area:

"The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it." (Article 11)
"Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be." (Article 13)

The call to jihad:

"The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised." (Article 15)
"Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about." (Article 33)

Rejection of a negotiated peace settlement:

"[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility." (Article 13)

Condemnation of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty:

"Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle. ...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act." (Article 32)

Anti-Semitic incitement:

The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." (Article 7)
"The enemies have been scheming for a long time ... and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media... With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe... They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about... With their money they formed secret organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions - which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests... They stood behind World War I ... and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains... There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it." (Article 22)
"Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out in the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'." (Article 32)
"The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism... Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews." (Article 32)

 

richaceg

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Which means there is intent to commit genocide. That is what the ICJ ruled against. Israel saying, "Release hostages, or else we will continue our genocide", should make you criticize Israel, for threatening to commit genocide. Not the other way around, which shows a profound lack of common sense and intelligence.

Israel committing genocide has been acknowledged by the ICJ. And 20K Palestinians? 28K are dead already because of Israel's genocide. And of course I hate the Zionists. They are mass murdering, racist, genocidal maniacs. And you want to consider those guys buddies who will consider an Asian like you just another disposable goyim? lol.
Common sense? Hamas throw common sense out the window 3 months ago.... 27K more deaths is not an impossible scenario when you turn gaza with all it's infrastructure for your terrorism, firing rockets, keeping hostages without regard of the people living there....the blood is in your hands....and people like you and franky who thinks this is ok because there's "no other choice"....yes there is other choice, release hostages...you're afraid it will prove you wrong that Israel will stop their aggression if the hostages will be released....You are afraid that if the hostages will be released, ceasefire will actually happen....it's some sick fantasy like you don't even want this conflict to be over....this is below 5 year old logic...
 

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No they chose violence when they massacre jews in the early 1900s...But this isn't about Palestinians...this is about Hamas....there's a difference....Palestinians could consist of civilians living in gaza and the west bank...Hamas are terrorists who target anybody they hate....civilians, children and women...
Delusional
 

Klatuu

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Common sense? Hamas throw common sense out the window 3 months ago.... 27K more deaths is not an impossible scenario when you turn gaza with all it's infrastructure for your terrorism, firing rockets, keeping hostages without regard of the people living there....the blood is in your hands....and people like you and franky who thinks this is ok because there's "no other choice"....yes there is other choice, release hostages...you're afraid it will prove you wrong that Israel will stop their aggression if the hostages will be released....You are afraid that if the hostages will be released, ceasefire will actually happen....it's some sick fantasy like you don't even want this conflict to be over....this is below 5 year old logic...
Bizarre logic.
 

richaceg

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It is not bizarre. It is unintelligent. Which is why I have him on ignore. There is literally no point in even engaging with him (although I made the mistake of unignoring his post to see what he had to say, but realized that was a mistake lol). You can engage with people who put some thought into what they are saying, or show some level of intelligence or even people who are just trolling. But reading, responding or even taking what he has to say in his unintelligent posts seriously, punctuated by a million full stops, is pointless. It is just dumb lol.
You both don't have an answer that's why....I don't ignore anybody...i'm not afraid to hear what they have to say....no matter how stupid their arguments are....
 

richaceg

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1. Netanyahu has actually SAID, that on releasing hostages, he will NOT stop the war. What part of that did you miss? This is why I consider you unintelligent.
2. The entire October 7 attack is BECAUSE of Israel's oppression and occupation of the Palestinian people. How does releasing hostages resolve the issue of statehood for the Palestinians?

Without these two, there can be no peace and there is no incentive to release hostages. You are basically expecting Hamas to release hostages for some short lived, short term gain, with no hope for long term actual resolution, and you think it is acceptable to do that under threat of genocide and war crimes. No where will this strategy actually work, not just with Hamas.

Your lack of this basic thought process and lack of common sense is why I actually consider you unintelligent and not worthy of engagement. You are not racist. You are not malicious. Because if you were, I wouldn't ignore your posts and instead respond. But you are just not intelligent, at the very least in the arguments you make - either because you are actually not intelligent or because you are trolling. But in either case unless you are prepared to put some intellectual rigour into your arguments, I dont find them worthy of a response, because there is nothing to respond to.
Keep spouting bullshit....releasing hostages will be the first step to ceasefire....i'm not surprise you can't grasp it...your logic is below 5 year old's....the war will stop when Hamas is gone...Hamas already stated what will happen...they will keep repeating Oct 7....they will not stop...your bullshit claim about apartheid and occupation isn't the reason Hamas attacked....the real reason is destroying Israel....Hamas said it themselves....in writing.... as a covenant....for the world to see....destroy Israel...destroy jews...sounds genocidal...you lose again....go back to your cave and ignore me please...
 

shack

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Hamas offered a peace deal but Netanyahu said no and that he'll go for a final solution instead.
Net said no, because, aside from other things, the deal conveniently ommitted that Hamas would cede control of Gaza. You know, kinda like a surrender. Have you heard that word before?

Get it through your thick skull, Israel will not accept a ceasefire without the return of all the hostages, immediately and unconditionally like the ICJ ordered, and Hamas surrender.

If Hamas had surrendered Jan.1 how many Gazan lives would have been saved, the ones that you laughingly and falsely claim that you care for?

I guess I can add that one to the list of 20 questions that you cowardly refuse to answer.
 

shack

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You think they chose foreign occupation for the last 75 years?
Yup. That is most certainly the choice they've made.

Every time they launch their attacks, Israel tightens their grip. What did they think would happen? They should have learned by now after 75 years, but as Oct.7 shows, they seem to have some cognitive disability. Keep doing the same thing over and over.....

It doesn't make sense, but at least that's an intellectual trait you share with them. A refusal to accept reality.
 

shack

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a) The fact that another 27000 could die is a war crime and genocide.
That's not important.

Taking and holding civilian hostages is also a war crime and you've stated that that's not important.

A war crime is a war crime. There is no ranking system.
 
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