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southpaw

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Do you guys think American Jews don't have the right to lobby their government in the way every other American is allowed?

Do you also object to Arab Americans lobbying in support of Palestinians?
Yes. Just like I would object to Chinese Americans lobbying on behalf of China. Or Russian Americans lobbying on behalf of Russia.
 
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Frankfooter

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Democrats turning against Biden will result in idiocy from trump who will likely make things worse for Palestinians.

And Zionism won't end because despite your racist views, the 10 million people in Israel (including Israeli Arabs) who want to remain Israeli will have their way despite whatever you and hamas do. The only question is whether Palestinian leaders will accept peace and build their own state or whether they will continue committed to violence and live in purgatory.
Zionism will end be cause its now tied to genocide.

 

basketcase

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AIPAC lobbies for a foreign government,...
AIPAC is Americans lobbying THEIR government about foreign policy. Sadly your belief that Jews control the world with their money has you thinking Jewish Americans shouldn't have the right to lobby about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict while lobbying and supporting those who lobby their government on behalf of the other side of the conflict.
 

southpaw

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southpaw

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Just keep sending the money, puppets.

 

Frankfooter

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Like the ICJ demanding hamas immediately and unconditionally release their hostages? Oh wait, you don't want to talk about that.
The ICJ ordered 4 Provisional Measures.
All 4 are orders on Israel, none on Hamas.

Israel was ordered to 'prevent' killing Palestinians in Gaza.
Do you want to talk about that?
 

shack

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The ICJ ordered 4 Provisional Measures.
All 4 are orders on Israel, none on Hamas.
They made 5 orders. The 4 to Israel were provisional.

The 1 to Hamas was not a provisional order. It was an absolute and unambiguous order. Return the hostages immediately.

Your attempts to deflect and deceive are too transparent. Comment on Hamas defying an absolute order from the ICJ.
 

Frankfooter

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They made 5 orders. The 4 to Israel were provisional.

The 1 to Hamas was not a provisional order. It was an absolute and unambiguous order. Return the hostages immediately.

Your attempts to deflect and deceive are too transparent. Comment on Hamas defying an absolute order from the ICJ.
Bwaahahahahahha!
What a fucking stupid claim!
Its idiotic!

There are 4 Provisional Measures the court voted on and which are orders by the ICJ.
All orders on Israeli actions.

 

shack

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Bwaahahahahahha!
What a fucking stupid claim!
Its idiotic!
Yet you can't refute it. Just insult.

There are 4 Provisional Measures the court voted on and which are orders by the ICJ.
All orders on Israeli actions.
So they are all big maybes.
Provisional:
pencilled in, temporary, transitional, stopgap, changeover, makeshift, short term, subject to confirmation,.....

And the order to return the hostages was absolute. Nothing provisional about it.
 

Frankfooter

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Yet you can't refute it. Just insult.
Refute it?
You made it up and I posted the link to prove it.
You were caught bullshitting, again.

So they are all big maybes.
Provisional:
pencilled in, temporary, transitional, stopgap, changeover, makeshift, short term, subject to confirmation,.....

And the order to return the hostages was absolute. Nothing provisional about it.
Provisional, as in, stop the fucking genocide and we'll end them.
 

shack

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Provisional, as in, stop the fucking genocide and we'll end them.
Absolutely moronic. Complete lies.

So now you are saying that Oxford dictionary is lying.
Provisional:
pencilled in, temporary, transitional, stopgap, changeover, makeshift, short term, subject to confirmation,.....

That means maybe yes, maybe no, depending on what does or does not happen.

The whole world is lying except for you.

Hey Zipper Lip, what about the ICJ ruling that says for Hamas to return the hostages. No provisions. "Hamas, you are holding hostages. You must return them now." No maybes.

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