Israel at war

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Valcazar

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I wouldn't call 1% a significant voting block when there is also 1% Muslims whose support he will lose entirely.
He will neither gain nor lose the entire voting bloc in either case.
We're talking margins.

But again - pretending he isn't listening to his voters when his voter base isn't unified on the matter is silly.
You may not like which voters he is listening to, but until we start seeing polls saying Pennsylvania Democrats are massively against his position, I don't think you can say that.

As for Pennsylvanian support, how many people are out on the streets supporting Palestine vs supporting Israel?
Isn't the fact that he's hiding on the roof from his voters protesting his position evidence that the national poll is likely accurate there as well?
No.
It shows that one group is actively protesting and rallying right now.
That's the same problem as the "but Trump and Sanders had bigger rallies" - it isn't a very accurate measure of actual voter intention or support.
 

Valcazar

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Every western country has now defunded the UNRWA.

The UNRWA is a known sponsor of terror and must be dismantled.
I'm still waiting for evidence on this.
Even if you take the accusation against these 12 as true, how does that make UNRWA a sponsor of terror?
Is there evidence that UNRWA funds are being used to plan and execute terrorism?
How does "these people are doing bad" lead to "the humanitarian institution must be shut down"?
 
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I'm still waiting for evidence on this.
Even if you take the accusation against these 12 as true, how does that make UNRWA a sponsor of terror?
Is there evidence that UNRWA funds are being used to plan and execute terrorism?
How does "these people are doing bad" lead to "the humanitarian institution must be shut down"?
The full case against UNWRA probably involves allegations that it supplies 100's of teachers who teach jihad as part of the curriculum; that is has close ties at all levels with Hamas; that it allows UNWRA administered structures like schools and hospitals to be used as military installations, etc.

I think Israel and the west are also going to pressure for the total abolition of UNWRA and the termination of the extended definition of "refugee" in the Palestinian context in an effort to normalize Palestinian-Israeli relations and then push for a 1-state solution with pressure on Israel to remove far right zionist elements from the cabinet. The same plan also tacitly includes the destruction of the Hamas hierarchy structures and the de-Hamasification of Gaza and the West bank and its replacement with a conciliatory governing regime subject to the Israeli state.
 

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