Israel at war

Klatuu

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Wait, you are telling me they havent even occupied all of gaza city??? Man this is worse than i thought. No wonder israel changed tactics, clearly whatever they did was not working.
Yes, it’s going so well that the Israelis evacuated from the south won’t be able to return for another 9 months.…in September.

Israelis love their bafflegab.

 

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No they won't. Egypt has already threateded to kill any Palestinians who attempt to cross the border. The Saudis have already basically said the peace talks will come back on.

And there is no possible way Iran will be allowed to peacekeep. Who is left? The rest are either overwhrlmed with domestic problems or too small to actually handle it.
OMG man jjust google the effin arab league. There the 22 nations in there. Who says Iran is not allowed to peace keep. They will be under UN command and be entrusted with keeping the Palis in check along with other arab nations. Egypt's hard stance on the border is 2 fold. 1 they don't want the cost of 1.5m Palis, they would need about 150B upfront in funding plus 15B a year for 10 years to deal with it. and they know they cannot count on the west for this. They are not a rich country. Also they don't want to be seen as enabling Israeli genoocide. Also, if Israels geocide is allowed to succeed, US aid to Egypt will stop.
 
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Please allow me to offer some humanitarian aid to a lost soul. Hopefully Hamas won't steal it before it reaches you. When somebody's mind is obsessed with violence, racism and hatred I can see how negotiation and diplomacy may be overlooked.

How many times has Hamas made a formal request for formal negotiations with mediators to try to resolve their complaints since they've been in power?

How many times has Hamas resorted to violence, rockets and terror attacks to try to resolve their complaints since they've been in power?

But maybe trying to recognize Israel's right to exist is something that you would deem "unreasonable" for Hamas to undertake. Do you think that it is unreasonable for Israel to expect to be given a right to exist?
You know the PLO did recognise Israels right to exist. And that is one reason Israel funded Hamas to take control of Gaza. That way they can say "we don't have a negotiating partner" Israel has NEVER wanted peace. After all, when a PM came to power that was serious about peace they murdered him. Israel will never get serious about peace until the cost of war becomes untenable. Then they will agee to peace and then over the next 20-40 years become radical and the whole shit show wil start again.
 
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OMG man jjust google the effin arab league. There the 22 nations in there. Who says Iran is not allowed to peace keep. They will be under UN command and be entrusted with keeping the Palis in check along with other arab nations. Egypt's hard stance on the border is 2 fold. 1 they don't want the cost of 1.5m Palis, they would need about 150B upfront in funding plus 15B a year for 10 years to deal with it. and they know they cannot count on the west for this. They are not a rich country. Also they don't want to be seen as enabling Israeli genoocide. Also, if Israels geocide is allowed to succeed, US aid to Egypt will stop.
And none of them will peacekeep. Show where the AL has offered this as a solution.

And Egypt doesn't want them because they will be a terrorist hotbed. They already went through it once.
 

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Wait, you are telling me they havent even occupied all of gaza city??? Man this is worse than i thought. No wonder israel changed tactics, clearly whatever they did was not working.
because unlike claims of genocide, Israel aren't really bombing the shit out of Gaza like everyone claims. they select the known hideouts...give credit to Hamas, for basically using almost all of Gaza as their base...without regard for the citizens...
 

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And none of them will peacekeep. Show where the AL has offered this as a solution.

And Egypt doesn't want them because they will be a terrorist hotbed. They already went through it once.
there you go whining about terrorism again. Of course they will be a terrorist hotbed. You don't think being violently booted out of your homeland is gonna result in some people with axes to grind? You don't think bringing 1.5m refugees into egypt will result in conflict with the populace? Look at the issues immigration causes in Canada and in other rich nations? Really why are you making empty points. Have you lost a bunch or braincells since the pandemic? A blow to the head maybe?
 

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because unlike claims of genocide, Israel aren't really bombing the shit out of Gaza like everyone claims. they select the known hideouts...give credit to Hamas, for basically using almost all of Gaza as their base...without regard for the citizens...
You really sound ignorant, rich.
Read the charges, look at the photos and videos.
 
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You really sound ignorant, rich.
Read the charges, look at the photos and videos.
seen the videos, looked at the photos franky....there are victims from war, not intentionally targeted....unlike what Hamas did....I know it hurts your feelings but, the stupidity of your posts is very entertaining...Hamas isn't the problem? they didn't want ceasefire....you should fly to Gaza and ask them...
 

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there you go whining about terrorism again. Of course they will be a terrorist hotbed. You don't think being violently booted out of your homeland is gonna result in some people with axes to grind? You don't think bringing 1.5m refugees into egypt will result in conflict with the populace? Look at the issues immigration causes in Canada and in other rich nations? Really why are you making empty points. Have you lost a bunch or braincells since the pandemic? A blow to the head maybe?
Lol. It's stating the truth. The reasons don't matter to the conversation. The point is your idea has little to zero merit BECAUSE of the reality.

The Gazans aren't going anywhere right away. That line at the 7 mile mark is going to be the new border. They are just going to be further crammed in. And there will be a trickle out of refugees over the next decade. A wall will go up, again. To stop the inevitable rock throwers.

And after they bulldoze the whole northern section down, use the tunnels to rebuild a sewer/infrastructure network a new set of settlers will move in.

And there is nothing anyone will be able to do about it.
 

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Lol. It's stating the truth. The reasons don't matter to the conversation. The point is your idea has little to zero merit BECAUSE of the reality.

The Gazans aren't going anywhere right away. That line at the 7 mile mark is going to be the new border. They are just going to be further crammed in. And there will be a trickle out of refugees over the next decade. A wall will go up, again. To stop the inevitable rock throwers.

And after they bulldoze the whole northern section down, use the tunnels to rebuild a sewer/infrastructure network a new set of settlers will move in.

And there is nothing anyone will be able to do about it.
Delusional.
 

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Lol. It's stating the truth. The reasons don't matter to the conversation. The point is your idea has little to zero merit BECAUSE of the reality.

The Gazans aren't going anywhere right away. That line at the 7 mile mark is going to be the new border. They are just going to be further crammed in. And there will be a trickle out of refugees over the next decade. A wall will go up, again. To stop the inevitable rock throwers.

And after they bulldoze the whole northern section down, use the tunnels to rebuild a sewer/infrastructure network a new set of settlers will move in.

And there is nothing anyone will be able to do about it.
Nothng you said renders my idea meritless. The option is to have a bumpy road to a possible peace or a forever war. All you have is "lets do nothing because its too hard" 🙄 Your scenario is maybe one outcome. Another outcome is that these refugees trickle out including Hamas members, that will relocate and continue to strike Israel and Israeli interests from multiple directions. In any case, many Isralis are leaving as they see years of war ahead. So the Israeli economy has been ruined.
 
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seen the videos, looked at the photos franky....there are victims from war, not intentionally targeted....unlike what Hamas did....I know it hurts your feelings but, the stupidity of your posts is very entertaining...Hamas isn't the problem? they didn't want ceasefire....you should fly to Gaza and ask them...
Yeah mosques, hospitals, refugee camps. legit targets !!! I guess you would kill a baby without hesitation, you sound like that kinda guy.
 
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How about the last 50 years

Iran/Iraq war
Yemen civil war
Syrian civil war
Hamas
Hezbollah
PLO
Sudan
Darfur
Twin Towers


Cross out WWII
Cross out the Holocaust
Cross out Armenia

Just Vietnam probably exceeds all of those. lol.
 

nottyboi

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Nice try.

According to Wikipedia:
In 2000 the combined population of Gaza and the West Bank was 3.11 million
The current population is a bit over. 4.5 million.
That's an increase of close to 50%.

And you guys want us to believe that Israel is committed to genocide? They are damn incompetent.
Like you people don't know how to stop lying.

When I said nice try, I meant nice try at deception.

So just to clarify, you'll also be satisfied with 500,000 dead Palestinians, just like frank? You are cool with that?
Just becuse the Pali reproduction rate exceeded the slaughter does not make it non genocideal. By that same token the Israeli pop is still growing so they should be ok with the few that Hamas kills right?
 

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Yeah mosques, hospitals, refugee camps. legit targets !!! I guess you would kill a baby without hesitation, you sound like that kinda guy.
I wouldn't put it past Hamas to use those facilities as headquarters...they are terrorists after all...you don't think they are terrorists?
 

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Just becuse the Pali reproduction rate exceeded the slaughter does not make it non genocideal. By that same token the Israeli pop is still growing so they should be ok with the few that Hamas kills right?
YOu really think Hamas is for peace with the jews?

On the destruction of Israel:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (Preamble)



The exclusive Moslem nature of the area:


"The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it." (Article 11)

"Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be." (Article 13)



The call to jihad:


"The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised
 
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