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Frankfooter said:
Its also not that complicated.

First thing you do after a ceasefire and investigations on both sides is you give everyone living under Israeli control full human rights including the vote.
You end apartheid and turn it into a democracy.

The population is roughly equal between Jews and Palestinians.
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If you think that's "not complicated" I am afraid you are in for a shock.
 
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mandrill said:
No. They are withdrawn because they are not needed because Hamas is being beaten far more quickly than anyone predicted.
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lol did they get the hostages? I saw a video of an Israeli officer speaking in the Knesset about having to gather up the bodies of his men so the bodies would not be kidnapped and apologizing for mixing up their body parts as he was in a rush to get out of the danger zone.
 
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Leimonis said:
It’s good that you are looking for permanent answers but note that team hamas here has not offered anything workable. Except “end of apartheid and occupation” also known as unleashing a million plus of radicalized gazans (plus maybe also West Bank ppl) into a society which would only lead to hamas growing in size and popularity which would lead to a permanent October 7. How the fuck are Israelis supposed to be okay with that?
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People like you claim its not apartheid and not an occupation, so sounds like Hamas is asking for very little. Just bring in the UN to enforce a framework that complies with this and a US peace keeping force easy peasy. Of course you kinda gotta cancel the genocide. lol.
 
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Kautilya said:
No. This is status quo in Israel. And it is something you don't know, don't want to know and won't even attempt to know.

Antisemitism was not created in Germany by Hitler. It already existed and he leveraged it. Similarly, wanting Palestinians - not Hamas, not Hezbollah, not the Houthis, not the Ayatollah, not the Islamic Jihad - but Palestinians, out of Gaza and out of the West Bank, is at the very core of Israeli psyche, politics and identity. Regardless of terror attacks or violence. Which is to say that EVEN if there were no terrorism, they would do everything in their power to take those lands, because apparently, the man in the sky, gave it to them. And they have no conception of Palestinians as human beings. To them they are sub-humans who can be brutalized and they have no qualms about it (Except for may be a few non-psychopathic Israelis, such as Gideon Levy).
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Ghandi would be ashamed to know that you are Indian.
 
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Kautilya said:
As I mentioned and actually proved with numbers, the Gaza Ministry of Health is a neutral source.
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They are controlled by Hamas. Are you saying that Hamas is neutral? By saying a Hamas controlled Ministry of Health is neutral proves two things. You support Hamas. You hate Israel and the Jews.

Kautilya said:
Their numbers have aligned with UN numbers,
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UN simply accepts Hamas' numbers at face value.

Kautilya said:
And my position........ is the neutral, non-partisan position.
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You agreed/admitted months ago that you are no longer neutral.
 
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Kautilya said:
I did not deny it. I said even accepting your sources, the data you presented defeats your own argument.
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And I proved that it doesn't. Support for Hamas by Palestinians in Gaza is less than by Palestinians in the West Bank. That was the point of his graph.
 
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Valcazar said:
So if anyone fires a rocket ever at Israel again, Israel should continue this level of bombing?
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I don't know. Do you think that it would be worth risking?

Valcazar said:
How do you know when this is reached?
And are there any proportional limits on this retaliation?
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It's war. Proportionality is out the window. Life vs. death is the guiding principle. Hamas knew that Israel would retaliate but Hamas didn't care. They don't give a shit how many Gazans die as long as they can hide safely in their tunnels. If they don't care about the Gazans, why should Israel? You are asking Israel to care more about the Gazans than Hamas does. Ludicrous.

Valcazar said:
So any theft in Gaza should be met with bombing?
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Again, is it worth taking that risk?

Valcazar said:
Israel should bomb all infrastructure until the Gazans can build infrastructure?
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No. Only until Hamas surrenders and gives up the hostages. Do you agree that Hamas should surrender so Israel can call off their assault?

Valcazar said:
How does bombing produce elections?
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There haven't been any in almost 20 years. Einstein said it's time to change things up unless you are insane.

Valcazar said:
You seem to be answering "Israel will know Hamas is eradicated when it knows".
Which... fine, but you do understand why some people don't find this a useful answer, right?
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Israel has the finest intelligence in the world. The proof is in the pudding. They knew exactly how to find those 7 Hamas terrorists in Lebanon two days ago. So yes, Israel will indeed know.
 
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nottyboi said:
People like you claim its not apartheid and not an occupation, so sounds like Hamas is asking for very little. Just bring in the UN to enforce a framework that complies with this and a US peace keeping force easy peasy. Of course you kinda gotta cancel the genocide. lol.
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Do you actually think the locals won't look at the UN as occupiers?
 
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