Israel at war

[mandrill]

Those poor bunnies.

But, here we go again….Israeli’s incapable of taking responsibility. It seems to be a national syndrome.

They want complete authority without responsibility, That’s pure Trump and Giuliani. Drunk on racist entitlement.

You've never been in the army, have you?

Ever know anyone who's been in the army?

 

[Klatuu]

Frankie. It's a war zone. Lots of people are getting killed. It's scary as fuck to be a front line soldier. They're being sniped at. Their adversaries don't wear uniforms. All sorts of shit is happening.

I'm sorry, Frankie. Not everything out there is a vegan brunch in your nice Cabbagetown coop boardroom where everyone is polite and careful not to take too much of that politically correct Guatemalan indigenous gazpacho without offering it first to the trans members of the coop to be inclusionary.

Every one of your posts, Mandy, has a “Israel is not responsible“ logic. Israel is never, ever responsible. Because anyone responsible is accountable….and that’s the last thing an Israeli supporter can cope with. Just like Trump and Giuliani.

 

[Leimonis]

There's nothing racist about what I said. It's security analysis.

Israel gave Gaza to the Palis. They held an election and chose Hamas, knowing that Hamas' Charter had a mission statement of destruction of Israel. There was an armed conflict between Hamas and the PA and Hamas won, after throwing various rivals off apartment building roofs.

Hamas has attacked Israel consistently since that time. On 7 October, a line was crossed. Hamas has become too dangerous and vicious to be tolerated any longer and must be stamped out. It's a matter of self defence for Israel.

Does Israel take the risk of allowing another election in Gaza and having a Hamas clone win again?..... Of course not. Who would take that risk??!?!?

Israel simply has no other choice but try to continue the status quo even if it means keeping Palestinians behind the fence in Gaza indefinitely.
Israelis are stuck between the river and the sea and they have nowhere to go.
All the idiotic whining about the end of apartheid only means that Jews have to leave or die. Is it really surprising they don’t want to do neither?

 

[Klatuu]

There's nothing racist about what I said. It's security analysis.

Israel gave Gaza to the Palis. They held an election and chose Hamas, knowing that Hamas' Charter had a mission statement of destruction of Israel. There was an armed conflict between Hamas and the PA and Hamas won, after throwing various rivals off apartment building roofs.

Hamas has attacked Israel consistently since that time. On 7 October, a line was crossed. Hamas has become too dangerous and vicious to be tolerated any longer and must be stamped out. It's a matter of self defence for Israel.

Does Israel take the risk of allowing another election in Gaza and having a Hamas clone win again?..... Of course not. Who would take that risk??!?!?

My god, another post devoid of Israeli responsibility ….but with endless references to Palestinian responsibility. How frigging infantile.

 

[Frankfooter]

At the start of the current conflict I thought a 2-state solution might be possible. Even if Israel giving up a reasonable amount of land had to be part of the deal.

I now have to agree that a 2 state solution is unacceptable. Primarily because the Palestinians have shown time and time again they cannot be trusted.

IN 2005 Israel withdrew from Gaza. The Palestinians then had a chance to modernize and build a prosperous country, especially with the billions of dollars they received in foreign aid and donations. Well. we all know where the bulk of that money went. Instead of directly benefiting the citizens of Gaza it went to enrich the leaders of Hamas, build a network of tunnels under Gaza, and buy weapons to be used against Israel.

Even in the most recent ceasefire Hamas reneged on the hostage deal, which scuttled any extension of the ceasefire. As the old saying goes "Fool Israel once, shame on the Palestinians. Fool Israel 7 times, shame on Israel!"

The only solution to this, if it is even possible, is to cripple Hamas so badly that it will be a very long time before they will consider attacking Israel again.

Your solution is to use force and inflict enough death and destruction that Palestinians live in total submission under apartheid?
That is what you think is peace?

 

[Klatuu]

Israel simply has no other choice but try to continue the status quo even if it means keeping Palestinians behind the fence in Gaza indefinitely.
Israelis are stuck between the river and the sea and they have nowhere to go.
All the idiotic whining about the end of apartheid only means that Jews have to leave or die. Is it really surprising they don’t want to do neither?

Another Israel has no choice…..completely devoid of responsibility message. It’s a national syndrome.

 

[Frankfooter]

There's nothing racist about what I said. It's security analysis.

Israel gave Gaza to the Palis.

They 'gave' them a tiny part of what is supposed to be Palestine, where 75% of the population are stateless refugees?
That's fucked up, how incredibly colonialist that you think Israel was being generous in giving the indigenous people a giant concentration camp on a tiny sliver of their homeland.

They held an election and chose Hamas, knowing that Hamas' Charter had a mission statement of destruction of Israel. There was an armed conflict between Hamas and the PA and Hamas won, after throwing various rivals off apartment building roofs.

Hamas has attacked Israel consistently since that time. On 7 October, a line was crossed. Hamas has become too dangerous and vicious to be tolerated any longer and must be stamped out. It's a matter of self defence for Israel.

Does Israel take the risk of allowing another election in Gaza and having a Hamas clone win again?..... Of course not. Who would take that risk??!?!?

Israel's longterm goal has been to divide the Palestinians into Hamas and Fatah in order to avoid facing a unified Palestinian opposition, which is why Netanyahu funded them and considered them necessary. Hamas is consistently more popular than Abbas, who is seen as a witless sycophant and stooge of Israel.

Now you are arguing that there should be zero Palestinian government and it should be total apartheid with an even harder military edge.
That turns Israel into a pariah state, nice work. Without the pretence of the two state solution its just a much more evil form of South African apartheid.

You argue that Palestinians don't deserve elections, rights, safety and now argue that you just need more military force to keep them in place.

And you don't see that as racist?

 

[Frankfooter]

Frankie. It's a war zone. Lots of people are getting killed. It's scary as fuck to be a front line soldier. They're being sniped at. Their adversaries don't wear uniforms. All sorts of shit is happening.

I'm sorry, Frankie. Not everything out there is a vegan brunch in your nice Cabbagetown coop boardroom where everyone is polite and careful not to take too much of that politically correct Guatemalan indigenous gazpacho without offering it first to the trans members of the coop to be inclusionary.

There you go, one more step down into fascism.
First it was targeting civilians 'but Frankie, its a war zone'.
Now its targeting journalists, 'but Frankie, its a war zone'.
Bombing women and children, 'but Frankie, its a war zone'.
Starving 2.3 million people and depriving them of water and medical care, 'but Frankie, its a war zone'.
Allowing 350,000 people to become sick with no chance of medical care, 'but Frankie, its a war zone'.

How does one not see themselves change?

 

[Frankfooter]

Frankie, if Hamas had actually governed Gaza competently, built up industries and commerce, had free elections, not stolen foreign aid and used it to buy rockets and not attacked and tortured Israelis every couple of weeks, it could all have been so different.

But you got to live in the world as it is, not the world you wished had been.

Bullshit, mandrill.

Israel implemented the blockade 17 years ago and has since continued to take Palestinian land in the West Bank.
This was not Hamas.

 

[Frankfooter]

You've never been in the army, have you?

Ever know anyone who's been in the army?

Our resident expert, dinklemouse, said that shack and the Israel supporters were too disgusting for him and left the thread.
Your previous experience in the Boer War is not something you should brag about.

 

[Leimonis]

Another Israel has no choice…..completely devoid of responsibility message. It’s a national syndrome.

why are we not demanding responsibility from USA for taking California from Mexico?
Oh maybe it's because Mexicans decided that terrorism is not a solution and simply built a country where they could instead of playing victims and begging the world for money for 75 years

 

[Frankfooter]

Holy shit, I have to say.

Shack
Mandrill
Leimonis
XMontrealer

All four have confirmed that they think Israel is apartheid and needs to be more brutally apartheid for 'peace' today.

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736075292945314209

 

[Klatuu]

Holy shit, I have to say.

Shack
Mandrill
Leimonis
XMontrealer

All four have confirmed that they think Israel is apartheid and needs to be more brutally apartheid for 'peace' today.

But remember, Israel has no responsibility or choice…..and they have complete authority.

 

[Leimonis]

But remember, Israel has no responsibility or choice…..and they have complete authority.

they have a choice of dying or leaving (aka "Palestine from the river to the sea") or staying and they chose staying...seems simple

 

[Frankfooter]

they have a choice of dying or leaving (aka "Palestine from the river to the sea") or staying and they chose staying...seems simple

They had a choice between the two state solution or trying to take it all.
Total win, now its apartheid.

In 1976, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin warned that Israel risked becoming an apartheid state if it annexed and absorbed the West Bank's Arab population.[17][134] In 2007, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert warned that if the two-state solution collapsed, Israel would "face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights, and as soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished".[135]

 

[Leimonis]

They had a choice between the two state solution or trying to take it all.
Total win, now its apartheid.

In 1976, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin warned that Israel risked becoming an apartheid state if it annexed and absorbed the West Bank's Arab population.[17][134] In 2007, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert warned that if the two-state solution collapsed, Israel would "face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights, and as soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished".[135]

But Palestinians don’t want two state solution. Or it doesn’t matter?

 

[Valcazar]

If its not against harassment policy, the "ok" it is the definition of it. It means the schools approves the message. Thats the way the student body wants it now.

You really have trouble understanding things, don't you?

It's always "If it isn't 100% it's 0%".
It's kind of impressive how consistent you are.
It must be exhausting to live in a world that black and white.

 

[Klatuu]

Looks like Hamas was completely accurate about Israeli intentions

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736130054260961329

 

[Frankfooter]

But Palestinians don’t want two state solution. Or it doesn’t matter?

Israel is the military occupying power, they have decided not to settle for the two state solution.
What Palestinians want or wanted was never the question.