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Butler1000 said:
No, I'm serious, because the alternative is you just are incapable of understanding nuance.
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What nuance? You believe the only solution to this conflict is ethnic cleansing and collective punishment of Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank. You try to justify this by; painting all Palestinians and Muslims with the same brush, blaming the majority for the actions of a few, bringing up past, unrelated conflicts, and mentioning the Tamil Tigers.

Now you try to make it personal because the plan you back is despised by everyone, and now all you can do is lash out at me.
 
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Butler1000 said:
I hope not, the alternative can't be corrected.
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See, more personal attacks and lashing out at me because the plan of ethnic cleansing and collecting punishment for Palestinians of West Bank and Gaza that you support is thoroughly despised by everyone.
 
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versitile1 said:
You just said the IDF estimated 20,000 dead were all hamas. You see all Palestinians as hamas. You think little children and babies deserve to be bombed and buried under rubble because of where they were born.
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I wrote it carefully for you....IDF claimed they estimated 20k kills...of Hamas... now I would say if they killed 20k of hamas....now if that's their statement, I'm assuming it doesn't include collateral damage...so far nobody is stating how many civilians were killed. If Hamas says 11k... that would be. 20k hamas + 11k civilians (If Hamas are honest)...now I hope your math is better than how you read....
 
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versitile1 said:
What nuance? You believe the only solution to this conflict is ethnic cleansing and collective punishment of Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank. You try to justify this by; painting all Palestinians and Muslims with the same brush, blaming the majority for the actions of a few, bringing up past, unrelated conflicts, and mentioning the Tamil Tigers.

Now you try to make it personal because the plan you back is despised by everyone, and now all you can do is lash out at me.
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See, more comprehension issues. I said the only way towards a peaceful resolution was a real leader of the Palestinians to rise and convince them to negotiate a peace. To be able to remove the extremism from the population and progress forward. That is my preferred personal choice.

And without that, that continuing to perpetuate war without compromise will result in their destruction. Because they have no friends, no allies, and are in too deep now to wiggle out of things. That is the unfortunate reality. The world, and especially their Arab Muslim neighbours, will stand by and watch this happen, as they themsrlves eventually make peace with Israel.

Show me the leader who can lead the Palestinians out of the wilderness. Otherwise prepare yourself for the worst in the long run.
 
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versitile1 said:
See, more personal attacks and lashing out at me because the plan of ethnic cleansing and collecting punishment for Palestinians of West Bank and Gaza that you support is thoroughly despised by everyone.
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If its so despised then why is every nation standing by?
 
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versitile1 said:
What nuance? You believe the only solution to this conflict is ethnic cleansing and collective punishment of Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank. You try to justify this by; painting all Palestinians and Muslims with the same brush, blaming the majority for the actions of a few, bringing up past, unrelated conflicts, and mentioning the Tamil Tigers.

Now you try to make it personal because the plan you back is despised by everyone, and now all you can do is lash out at me.
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There is no "ethnic cleansing and collective punishment".

Honestly, you guys read from the same memorized script that you get from attending far too many "Socialist Activists for Cooperative Non-Capitalist Resistance against Transexclusionary Anti-indigenous Imperialism" meetings.

Unless you're using your own jargon, you can't function. It's like Scientologists talking about "Clear" or "Not-Clear" and other pseudo concepts that they've been drilled in.
 
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Phil C. McNasty said:
Israel has resumed the war with airstrikes

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Netanyahu has recommenced the genocide.

His problem is if he stops the genocide he will be turfed from office, so he has to keep it going.
Biden is finally realizing that he's killed his reelection and may finally tell Netanyahu to fully stop, but likely Netanyahu won't listen as his career is at stake.

From the NYT

Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago
A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.
 
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mandrill said:
There is no "ethnic cleansing and collective punishment".

Honestly, you guys read from the same memorized script that you get from attending far too many "Socialist Activists for Cooperative Non-Capitalist Resistance against Transexclusionary Anti-indigenous Imperialism" meetings.

Unless you're using your own jargon, you can't function. It's like Scientologists talking about "Clear" or "Not-Clear" and other pseudo concepts that they've been drilled in.
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Israel blocked for 7 weeks all food, water and power going to Gaza.
How is that not 'collective punishment'.

There were already multiple reports stating that the blockade of Gaza was collective punishment and a war crime. How is the 'siege' which blocked all food, water and power, not a much more heinous collective punishment whose only goal is genocide?

You claim to be a lawyer, stop ignoring the law.

www.reuters.com

U.N. experts say Israel's blockade of Gaza illegal

Israel's naval blockade of the Gaza Strip violates international law, a panel of human rights experts reporting to a U.N. body said on Tuesday, disputing a conclusion reached by a separate U.N. probe into Israel's raid on a Gaza-bound aid ship.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

www.amnesty.org

Israel must lift illegal and inhumane blockade on Gaza

Power plant shutdown will exacerbate an already desperate humanitarian crisis.
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org

www.hrw.org

Israel: Unlawful Gaza Blockade Deadly for Children

The Israeli government should immediately end its total blockade of the Gaza Strip that is putting Palestinian children and other civilians at grave risk.
www.hrw.org www.hrw.org
 
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