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Frankfooter

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Right. The war zone that came into being immediately after Oct. 7. The one created by Hamas.
Basketcase said they were at war before Oct.
Was he lying?

ISRAEL AND OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES 2022
Israel’s continuing oppressive and discriminatory system of governing Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) constituted a system of apartheid, and Israeli officials committed the crime of apartheid under international law. Israeli forces launched a three-day offensive on the occupied Gaza Strip in August during which they committed apparent war crimes. This compounded the impact of a 15-year ongoing Israeli blockade that amounts to illegal collective punishment and further fragments Palestinian territory. Israel escalated its crackdown on Palestinians’ freedom of association. It also imposed arbitrary restrictions on freedom of movement and closures that amounted to collective punishment, mainly in the northern West Bank, ostensibly in response to armed attacks by Palestinians on Israeli soldiers and settlers. The year saw a rise in the number of Palestinians unlawfully killed and seriously injured by Israeli forces during raids in the West Bank. Administrative detentions of Palestinians hit a 14-year high, and torture and other ill-treatment continued. Israeli forces demolished al-Araqib village in the Negev/Naqab for the 211th time. A further 35 Palestinian-Bedouin towns in Israel were still denied formal recognition and residents faced possible forcible transfer. Authorities failed to process asylum claims for thousands of asylum seekers, and imposed restrictions on their right to work.

Background
In March, the UN Special Rapporteur on the human rights situation in the OPT determined that the “political system of entrenched rule” in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip “satisfies the prevailing evidentiary standard for the existence of apartheid”. In November, the UN Special Rapporteur on the right to adequate housing reached the same conclusion in relation to Israel’s policies of home demolitions. Some states, including South Africa, condemned Israeli apartheid, echoing statements by Palestinian, Israeli and international human rights organizations. Despite this growing recognition, Israel continued to enjoy impunity thanks to the support of its key allies.

In October, the United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and in Israel, concluded that the occupation of the OPT is unlawful due to its permanence and Israel’s measures to annex Palestinian land in law and in practice. In 2022, such measures included retroactive authorization of settlement outposts, including by the Israeli Supreme Court.

In November, Israel held its fifth elections in three years after the collapse of an ideologically diverse coalition government, which continued to discriminate against Palestinians on both sides of the Green Line. The vote was polarized between those supporting and opposing former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, while consensus on maintaining Israel’s occupation of Palestinian and Syrian territories remained. The right-wing bloc, led by Benjamin Netanyahu and a religious-nationalist coalition, secured a majority of seats and formed a government in December.

Apartheid
In February, Amnesty International released a 280-page report showing how Israel was imposing an institutionalized regime of oppression and domination against the Palestinian people wherever it exercised control over their rights, fragmenting and segregating Palestinian citizens of Israel, residents of the OPT and Palestinian refugees denied the right of return. Through massive seizures of land and property, unlawful killings, infliction of serious injuries, forcible transfers, arbitrary restrictions on freedom of movement, and denial of nationality, among other inhuman or inhumane acts, Israeli officials would be responsible for the crime against humanity of apartheid, which falls under the jurisdiction of the ICC.1

In March, Israeli authorities re-enacted the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (temporary order) that imposes sweeping restrictions on Palestinian family unification between Israeli citizens or residents and their spouses from the OPT to maintain a Jewish demographic majority.

In July, the Israeli Supreme Court upheld a law authorizing the interior minister to strip citizens of their citizenship if convicted of acts that amount to “breach of allegiance to the state”. Since its enactment in 2008, application of the law has only been considered against Palestinian citizens. On 20 September, the Israeli Appeals Tribunal approved the revocation of stay or temporary residency permits of 10 Palestinians – four children, three women and three men – living in Jerusalem because they are distant relatives of a Palestinian assailant. On 18 December, Israel deported French-Palestinian human rights defender Salah Hammouri following the revocation of his East Jerusalem residency.2

Unlawful attacks and killings
Armed conflict between Israel and Palestinian armed groups in Gaza
On 5 August, Israel launched an offensive on the Gaza Strip targeting the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and its armed wing, destroying or damaging some 1,700 Palestinian homes and displacing hundreds of civilians. The Israeli army and Palestinian armed groups committed apparent war crimes during the three days of fighting. (See State of Palestine entry.)3

According to the UN, 49 Palestinians were killed, including 31 civilians. Amnesty International established that Israeli forces killed 17 of the civilians, including eight children. Seven civilians, including four children, were killed by a rocket that misfired apparently launched by a Palestinian armed group. On 7 August, an Israeli missile, apparently fired by a drone, hit Al-Falluja cemetery in Jabalia refugee camp, killing five children and injuring one, in an apparent direct attack on civilians or indiscriminate attack.

West Bank
Israeli forces killed 151 Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and injured 9,875, according to OCHA-OPT, amid a surge of military incursions that involved excessive use of force, including unlawful killings and apparent extrajudicial executions.4 Defense for Children International-Palestine reported that Israeli forces or settlers killed 36 children across the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

On 11 May, Israeli soldiers killed Shirin Abu Akleh, a Palestinian-US Al Jazeera correspondent, and injured her colleague, while they were covering an Israeli army raid in Jenin Camp. In September, the Israeli authorities admitted that an Israeli soldier “likely” killed the journalist but concluded that no criminal offence had been committed.

 

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Thanks for this. As has been alleged, a lot of IDF propaganda is just bullshit and lies. Including the "tunnels" under al-shifa that they showed.
How classic. Everybody wants proof and once they are shown it the screams of "LIES". The classic move of someone who's lost the debate.

Tell us that the film was made by Steven Spielberg, the Jew.
 
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shack

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Basketcase said they were at war before Oct.
Was he lying?
Show us the quote.

Maybe you're lying. Everybody is referring to this current war as having started immediately after Oct. 7.

That's the day that Netanyahu declared war on Hamas. That was the day all these new tactics and strategy were initiated by Israel. Only a fool or a liar would not recognize how things changed so much on that day.
 

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Give us the name of the books you’ve read by “scholars “.
Scars of War, Wounds of Peace. The Israeli-Arab Tragedy By Shlomo Ben-ami. Published 2005.

As an example. There were others loaned to me be teachers, friends, from the library when I was younger. But that one is especially good. I highly recommend it.

It encapsulates in my opinion the best information on the history of the region, and especially shows how Anwar Sadat was probably the last great hope for a greater peace treaty and stability in the region.
 

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Scars of War, Wounds of Peace. The Israeli-Arab Tragedy By Shlomo Ben-ami. Published 2005.

As an example. There were others loaned to me be teachers, friends, from the library when I was younger. But that one is especially good. I highly recommend it.

It encapsulates in my opinion the best information on the history of the region, and especially shows how Anwar Sadat was probably the last great hope for a greater peace treaty and stability in the region.
One book by an individual found responsible for the deaths of 11 Palestinian Israelis? That’s disturbing and reveals a great deal.
 

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Hamas= Isis

Hamas drugged children; burned legs with motorcycle exhaust for identification

Each child seized by Hamas was placed on a motorcycle. They positioned the child's leg against the bike's exhaust pipe, causing burns.

On October 7, Hamas terrorists kidnapped children on motorcycles and were trained to create a specific sign on their bodies: they put one of the children’s legs in the motorcycle exhaust. In addition, according to an uncle of two of these children hostages who were freed, they were drugged - according to a report on N12.

Yaniv, the uncle of Yagil, 12, and Or Yaakov, 16 from Kibbutz Nir Oz, who were released by Hamas, told foreign ministers in Europe.

Hamas uses burns as identification method
According to the plan, published on N12, the kidnappers would recognize that the children 'belonged' to them by a specific sign. Beyond just marking a part of the body, a practice that revives traumatic memories from grim periods in history, the children were repeatedly drugged and shuffled from one location to another.

“The children have been returned to us and shared harrowing tales of their experiences in Gaza,” the uncle recounted. “'One particularly disturbing detail that shook me was how each child seized by Hamas was placed on a motorcycle. They positioned the child's leg against the bike's exhaust pipe, causing burns. This was done to mark the children, ensuring their identification should they try to escape or be rescued. They're now safely with us, although they were drugged and treated horrifically, but at least they're here with us now.'"

Late Thursday night, MK Naftali Bennett commented on the revelation on X: "We now know that Hamas terrorists who held hostage 13-year-old Yagel Yaacov and his brother Or, used a boiling hot motorcycle exhaust to 'imprint' a burn on their legs as a way to identify them if they try to escape," the former prime minister reported. "Let me repeat: They took a boiling piece of metal and pinned it to the legs of a helpless 13 year old captive child.

"Hamas are sadistic monsters, and we’re going to have to kill them," Bennett concluded.

 
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Not only the Palestinians, but Muslims around the world. The large protests in London were by Muslims and a small amount of Palestinians.

Survey: Palestinians Overwhelmingly Support Hamas and Islamic Jihad

Contrary to claims from some on the left in the debate surrounding the Israel-Hamas conflict, support for the Islamic terrorist group remains high in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, even weeks after the brutal massacre on October 7. The atrocities of that day, including rape, kidnapping, and torture of infants, also garner significant support among Muslims.

From October 31 to November 7, the Arab World for Research and Development (AWRAD) examined Palestinians’ attitudes toward various Islamic terrorist groups, countries, media, and organizations.

Ninety-eight percent stated that they will never forget or forgive the Israeli attacks in response to the Hamas massacre. A slightly lower percentage, 90 percent, indicated that coexistence is increasingly impossible.

An overwhelming 75 percent support the massacre of innocent Israelis and Jews on October 7, with only 13 percent opposed.

Additionally, 98% of respondents reported feeling prouder of their Palestinian identity since Hamas attacked Israel. Eighty percent said that their resolve to achieve a Palestinian state has increased.

Concerning trust and support for terrorist groups, countries, and media, Hamas ranks among the highest, while the USA, Israel, and the West are at the bottom.

Amidst the recent conflict, news consumption trends among Palestinians revealed distinct preferences. Notably, Islamic-controlled media outlets took precedence, with Al Jazeera emerging as the top choice for news. A significant 62% of adults, and an even more staggering 92% among those favoring regional or Arab stations, preferred Al Jazeera. Al Mayadeen secured the second spot, followed by Al Arabiya.

Telegram is the primary source for war-related news on social media, cited by 48% of users. Facebook followed at 31%, with Instagram and WhatsApp contributing 10% and 9%, respectively—notably, TikTok or Twitter (X) as the primary news source was reported by less than 1%.

 

Frankfooter

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How classic. Everybody wants proof and once they are shown it the screams of "LIES". The classic move of someone who's lost the debate.

Tell us that the film was made by Steven Spielberg, the Jew.
You are saying that in reference to the two posts above, of course.
The Amnesty and Euro Med reports?
 

Frankfooter

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Show us the quote.

Maybe you're lying. Everybody is referring to this current war as having started immediately after Oct. 7.

That's the day that Netanyahu declared war on Hamas. That was the day all these new tactics and strategy were initiated by Israel. Only a fool or a liar would not recognize how things changed so much on that day.
Its only different in the scale from 2008 and 2014.
Same crap Israel has been doing for half a century.

Steal some land.
Palestinians resist the occupation and kill a few Israelis.
Israel kills 10x the number.
Temporary pause.
repeat
 

Frankfooter

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Your accusations are joke. It's interesting to see that you need to resort to lying to try to condemn me.
You do a fine job of condemning yourself.
The plague spreading vermin need to be eradicated and the whole civilized world know it.
But hey, you're just repeating what the good zionists say.
 

Frankfooter

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Hamas= Isis

Hamas drugged children; burned legs with motorcycle exhaust for identification

Each child seized by Hamas was placed on a motorcycle. They positioned the child's leg against the bike's exhaust pipe, causing burns.

On October 7, Hamas terrorists kidnapped children on motorcycles and were trained to create a specific sign on their bodies: they put one of the children’s legs in the motorcycle exhaust. In addition, according to an uncle of two of these children hostages who were freed, they were drugged - according to a report on N12.

Yaniv, the uncle of Yagil, 12, and Or Yaakov, 16 from Kibbutz Nir Oz, who were released by Hamas, told foreign ministers in Europe.

Hamas uses burns as identification method
According to the plan, published on N12, the kidnappers would recognize that the children 'belonged' to them by a specific sign. Beyond just marking a part of the body, a practice that revives traumatic memories from grim periods in history, the children were repeatedly drugged and shuffled from one location to another.

“The children have been returned to us and shared harrowing tales of their experiences in Gaza,” the uncle recounted. “'One particularly disturbing detail that shook me was how each child seized by Hamas was placed on a motorcycle. They positioned the child's leg against the bike's exhaust pipe, causing burns. This was done to mark the children, ensuring their identification should they try to escape or be rescued. They're now safely with us, although they were drugged and treated horrifically, but at least they're here with us now.'"

Late Thursday night, MK Naftali Bennett commented on the revelation on X: "We now know that Hamas terrorists who held hostage 13-year-old Yagel Yaacov and his brother Or, used a boiling hot motorcycle exhaust to 'imprint' a burn on their legs as a way to identify them if they try to escape," the former prime minister reported. "Let me repeat: They took a boiling piece of metal and pinned it to the legs of a helpless 13 year old captive child.

"Hamas are sadistic monsters, and we’re going to have to kill them," Bennett concluded.

More reasons for a ceasefire.
Stop this madness.

 
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