Israel at war

[Frankfooter]

Depends on what you mean by defend yourself.

Fighting back when extremist settlers attack you would be defence. Killing random Jews in the West Bank is not.
Firing rockets are IDF facilities is an act of resistance. Firing rockets indiscriminately at cities is not.
Attacking Israeli military is being a freedom fighter. Attacking towns and killing/kidnapping 1500 civilians is terrorism.

Which means the first part of Oct 7 was a legit act of resistance and only when Hamas got outside the concentration camp walls for the first time did they commit war crimes by targeting civilians. Thank you for admitting that you think Hamas' attack on the IDF is not terrorism but legit self defence.
That's a start to admitting they have human rights.

The next step is to call out each and every war crime by Israelis, to apply international law to both sides equally.

Israeli settlers steal Palestinian farmers’ land in occupied West Bank
Emboldened by curfews and raids on Palestinians, illegal settlers have stepped up violence and property theft.

 

[Frankfooter]

The current violence started in 1919 when Arab mobs were incited to attack indigenous Jews because some other Jews were legally immigrating.
it continued when Arab leadership decided that destroying the Jewish side of the Partition was more important than creating a Palestinian state.

And today Hamas is still engaged in the goal of using violence to remove the Jewish presence.

You might as well go right back to 1896 and the start of the zionist movement.

 

[Frankfooter]

None of the anti-Israel voices are willing to comment on the fact that the hostages Hamas released were mostly little kids and the elderly while Israel was forced to release mainly young men accused/convicted for violent acts.

Most of those released by Israel were either arrested as children or are still children. You use 'young men' to describe Palestinians and 'children' to describe Jews of the same age, which is racist. You are trying to imply that one is innocent and the other are not. Both are children. Neither should be imprisoned. Hamas started this on Oct 7 but Israel has been imprisoning children for years, yet you have never once said its wrong. That's also racist.

We see this kind of racism throughout the board and throughout media as well.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1728871697212993704

 

[Frankfooter]

Of course you're happy to believe whatever Hamas says and think that the videos of the tunnels under the hospital are all just a Jewish invention.

I know that because of your racism you will never believe what any Palestinian will say, so for you I'll post ex PM, Ehud Barak describing how Israel built the tunnels under Al Shifa. A hospital they destroyed for nothing, where they found nothing but the unused tunnels they built in 1983.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726763347788321175

 

[Frankfooter]

So bullshit accusations to justify Palestinian militants attacking civilians. Nice.

Are you a bot or a troll?

There was no justifying of attacking civilians in that post.
Stop crying wolf and antisemitism or 'Hamas' in every post.
It makes you look pathetic.

You need to talk to the Jews who demand peace and equal rights.
You need to get away from the supremacists and understand there are better options.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1728707761129595056

 

[steelcitysid]

You have no idea how difficult urban and tunnel warfare is do you? No communications, no gps, no mapping.
Easy to booby trap. Easy to set up ambushes. No military can do it without casualties.

The hostages that were released said they were in homes and they were treated humanely

 

[steelcitysid]

So bullshit accusations to justify Palestinian militants attacking civilians. Nice.

Are you a bot or a troll?

These are not accusations. This is the truth..the media has been unfairly demonizing palestinians and other Arabs for years. I've travelled to close to 100 counties and I can see the BS is painting them with the wrong brush. I experienced nothing but kindness travelling to these parts of the world. Sure there's bad apples here and there but they exist everywhere. Even here in Canada and even in USA. How about the 3 Palestinian men that got shot in Burlington Vermont the other day? Hm yeah I would say the shooter is a terrorist. The man that killed an entire Muslim family last year ? Yep also a terrorist. The landlord in USA who murdered a literal kid? Yep also a terrorist. I'm not going to fall for the BS propaganda on CNN which is unfairly biased and ignorant.

If you want to speak about militants attacking civilians then Google IDF attacking kids. They have been mocking them, laughing at them, abusing them for the longest time. You can clearly see the abuse they had to endure for years. I'm sorry but only cowards attack children.

As for being a troll that would be the ones that don't want to look at facts and turn a blind eye to what's really happening..some of you here don't even want to look at the hard facts because your racist brain has already been programmed to villianize an entire race or people. Ive seen it in the comments here time and time again.

FTR I am not anti semite either, ust opposed to injustice everywhere. I stood by my Jewish friends when there was real antisemitism and they also disagree with what's happening in Gaza and denounce it as barbaric actions by the IDF

 

[versitile1]

I have spoken the truth. You just hate it. And your fixation on me is being quite enjoyable for the moment. It proves you have given up. You know the Palestinians are going to lose. So in your impotent anger are lashing out at me. The guy who is right.

Because limp anger is all you have left to offer.

Okay liar. Keep lying to yourself because no one else believes you.

 

[Butler1000]

The hostages that were released said they were in homes and they were treated humanely

You are missing the point. Let me drop you on the edge of North York. Now you find say ten houses where hostages are stored. No advanced information, gunmen could be anywhere, IEDs, as well as possibility they are somewhere in the Yonge or Sheppard line subway.

Go! How long does it take you to get them out safely?

 

[Butler1000]

Okay liar. Keep lying to yourself because no one else believes you.

Another flaccid post.

The Palestinians will eventually run out of hostages or time. I should set up a poll on how long before military operations start again.

I'm betting they hold the Americans as long as possible to try to delay things, hoping pressure ends it, and maybe negotiate for a few rat trapped leaders lives. But it doesn't matter now. Israel owns 7 more miles.

 

[steelcitysid]

You are missing the point. Let me drop you on the edge of North York. Now you find say ten houses where hostages are stored. No advanced information, gunmen could be anywhere, IEDs, as well as possibility they are somewhere in the Yonge or Sheppard line subway.

Go! How long does it take you to get them out safely?

Well, to start I wouldn't decide on bombing an entire region indiscriminately and using white phosphorus on them which is a war crime. so that's a start. By the way, if this is about hostages then why are they still bombing Gaza after the exchange?

 

[Butler1000]

Chris Hitchens always tells it like it is.

 

[Frankfooter]

You are missing the point. Let me drop you on the edge of North York. Now you find say ten houses where hostages are stored. No advanced information, gunmen could be anywhere, IEDs, as well as possibility they are somewhere in the Yonge or Sheppard line subway.

Go! How long does it take you to get them out safely?

Well, then I guess you use the Israeli method and bomb the shit out of all of North York.

 

[Frankfooter]

Another flaccid post.

The Palestinians will eventually run out of hostages or time. I should set up a poll on how long before military operations start again.

I'm betting they hold the Americans as long as possible to try to delay things, hoping pressure ends it, and maybe negotiate for a few rat trapped leaders lives. But it doesn't matter now. Israel owns 7 more miles.

Biden has destroyed his presidency already but knows he has to stop. Netanyahu's home is surrounded by protesters.
This will stop.

Happily, Joe Biden is finished
Biden’s stubborn support for Israel’s war on Gaza has not only offended but infuriated crucial constituencies.

 

[Butler1000]

Well, to start I wouldn't decide on bombing an entire region indiscriminately and using white phosphorus on them which is a war crime. so that's a start. By the way, if this is about hostages then why are they still bombing Gaza after the exchange?

Lol. There's a whole section in this thread on white phosperous earlier. It was only used to light up and supply smoke cover the sky. And not weaponized. With numerous sources confirming this. Feel free to search for it.

And if you would rather sacrifice your own troops you are a piss poor officer and would be deserving of court martial.

And they are bombing to kill Hamas. Want to see an end? Hamas surrenders and unconditionally releases hostages. Because either way they are dead.

 

[Frankfooter]

And they are bombing to kill Hamas. Want to see an end? Hamas surrenders and unconditionally releases hostages. Because either way they are dead.

The bombed the people of Gaza, not Hamas.
And now they are making plans to steal more of Palestine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729113989790253096

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729075757354275104

 

[richaceg]

Which means the first part of Oct 7 was a legit act of resistance and only when Hamas got outside the concentration camp walls for the first time did they commit war crimes by targeting civilians. Thank you for admitting that you think Hamas' attack on the IDF is not terrorism but legit self defence.
That's a start to admitting they have human rights.

The next step is to call out each and every war crime by Israelis, to apply international law to both sides equally.

Israeli settlers steal Palestinian farmers’ land in occupied West Bank
Emboldened by curfews and raids on Palestinians, illegal settlers have stepped up violence and property theft.

For you to claim it's a "concentration camp" funny how Hamas was able to plot, accumulate a vast amount of rockets and arms, able to attack via 3 prong air, water and ground....for such a group being in a "concentration camp"... Hamas needs to go franky, and it's just a matter of time when Palestinians turn on them... These Hamas leaders won't set foot in Gaza after this...they are going to get the Ghaddafi treatment once they no longer hold power in Gaza...

 

[richaceg]

The problem isn't Hamas,

The current violence started in 1919 when Arab mobs were incited to attack indigenous Jews because some other Jews were legally immigrating.
it continued when Arab leadership decided that destroying the Jewish side of the Partition was more important than creating a Palestinian state.

And today Hamas is still engaged in the goal of using violence to remove the Jewish presence.

Franky will never condemn Hamas....all their actions are justified in his books...killing civilians-justified...

 

[Frankfooter]

For you to claim it's a "concentration camp" funny how Hamas was able to plot, accumulate a vast amount of rockets and arms, able to attack via 3 prong air, water and ground....for such a group being in a "concentration camp"... Hamas needs to go franky, and it's just a matter of time when Palestinians turn on them... These Hamas leaders won't set foot in Gaza after this...they are going to get the Ghaddafi treatment once they no longer hold power in Gaza...

And so will Netanyahu and Biden. All of them.
Take them all to the ICC.

None of your 'kill them all' shite, use the law, use sanctions, use everything you've got beside killing people.
20,000 dead are way too many.

 

[steelcitysid]

Lol. There's a whole section in this thread on white phosperous earlier. It was only used to light up and supply smoke cover the sky. And not weaponized. With numerous sources confirming this. Feel free to search for it.

And if you would rather sacrifice your own troops you are a piss poor officer and would be deserving of court martial.

And they are bombing to kill Hamas. Want to see an end? Hamas surrenders and unconditionally releases hostages. Because either way they are dead.

You can't actually be trying the justify the use of white phosphorus on innocent civilians. Wow you zios supporters never cease to amaze me with your blatant disregard for human life. It's clearly shown how they used it over the people of gaza. And Check this out while you're at it.

Israel accused of using white phosphorus

Israel accused of using white phosphorus

www.denverpost.com

Notice the date? 2009!!! More than a decade ago, israelis were still killing civilians and harming civilians with white phosphorus. Are you going to tell me this was not weaponized??

Again this was NEVER about Hamas. This is full on genocide. Period.