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shack

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Thank you for admitting that its about race.
Gaslighting and lies.

I crossed out race and put citizenship instead. No country in the world allows non-citizens to vote. With your twisted logic, every country in the world is racist and supports genocide.
 

Frankfooter

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Gaslighting and lies.

I crossed out race and put citizenship instead. No country in the world allows non-citizens to vote. With your twisted logic, every country in the world is racist and supports genocide.
No other country refuses to give their indigenous people's citizenship.
That is a evidence of apartheid.

Your thinking is as clever as the people pushing these ones.

73% of Americans think making Israel into a democracy is more important than keeping it Jewish and apartheid.


Join the Jews who aren't pushing genocide.
 

squeezer

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Oh a few AK47s in a war zone! lol.

It is still a war crime to bomb the hospital. None of these discoveries regarding tunnels, supposed weapons, a chair and a motorbike with a bullet hole found in the region that the IDF did not plant (okay, whatever lol), mean that it absolves Israel from its obligations per international law. You cannot bomb that hospital and kill 500 civilians because there were a few guys with AK47s in there. It is still a war crime to do so.
Sure, let Hamas keep their rocket launchers in place within the hospitals and schools so they can continue to taunt and harass Israel.
 

squeezer

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If it means saving Palestinian civilian lives, then yes. Israel has the Iron Dome and other systems they can use to defend, which they do quite regularly and effectively. Along with the shelters the number of people killed by rockets is very very minimal.

500 Palestinian lives lost to take down a few launchers or even a few dozen lives, is not proportional, to the military advantage gained by taking down a few dumb rocket launchers, that in your own words, 'taunt and harass' Israel. Not damage or destroy. Taunt and harass.

So yes, that is a war crime. Per international law. I didn't make up those rules.
So Israel should continue to allow Hamas to operate in their state-of-the-art under the hospital and school bunkers?? Let them keep perfecting their "kill a jew" systems so perhaps the next terrorist attack can bring down 4200 and kidnap 500 Jews?
 

toguy5252

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If it means saving Palestinian civilian lives, then yes. Israel has the Iron Dome and other systems they can use to defend, which they do quite regularly and effectively. Along with the shelters the number of people killed by rockets is very very minimal.

500 Palestinian lives lost to take down a few launchers or even a few dozen lives, is not proportional, to the military advantage gained by taking down a few dumb rocket launchers, that in your own words, 'taunt and harass' Israel. Not damage or destroy. Taunt and harass.

So yes, that is a war crime. Per international law. I didn't make up those rules.
of course as usual you are right. Palestinian civilians are much more important than Jewish or Israeli citizens. And if hamas regroups, re arms etc and butchers another 1200 Jews no biggie. And of course no country has a duty to protect us population.
 
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mandrill

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If it means saving Palestinian civilian lives, then yes. Israel has the Iron Dome and other systems they can use to defend, which they do quite regularly and effectively. Along with the shelters the number of people killed by rockets is very very minimal.

500 Palestinian lives lost to take down a few launchers or even a few dozen lives, is not proportional, to the military advantage gained by taking down a few dumb rocket launchers, that in your own words, 'taunt and harass' Israel. Not damage or destroy. Taunt and harass.

So yes, that is a war crime. Per international law. I didn't make up those rules.
Ok, but no one is going to really accept that this is the way it works - or should work.

Let's play through the scenario. HAMAS blatantly breaches any international law or convention ever written. It raids a music festival and commits obscene and stomach turning outrages against helpless women and children and takes hostages like some band of Medieval barbarians. It also subjects Israel to a bombardment.

It then retreats to Gaza where it has deliberately and carefully prepared fortified positions under essential civilian humanitarian structures, thus ensuring that Israel too must - arguably - breach the Geneva Convention if the IDF attacks HAMAS and destroys its capacity to commit more war crimes.

HAMAS can then argue - like @DinkleMouse - that if Israel kills 5,000 Palestinian civilians to stop HAMAS attacking again and killing 4,999 or fewer Israeli civilians that Israel has failed "proportionality" and is the bigger war criminal.

The convention was clearly never written to be distorted in this way. NO country is going to accept that a terror group can raid, torture, rape, murder and kidnap its citizens simply by then fortifying a hospital as its stronghold. It's just too easy an exploit to set up - again and again and again and again.
 
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toguy5252

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Of course you are right. The 11,000+ Palestinians and 5000+ children massacred under the guise of fighting Hamas is no biggie. And if Israel just steals more land in the process, no biggie either.



No, pursue other methods. Other methods that do not kill 11,000+ civilians and 5000+ children. And if the choice is between allowing those bunkers to stay put in order to save civilian lives, then YES, those civilian lives absolutely have to be prioritized over military objectives, because the value of taking down a bunker does not in any way exceed the value of civilian lives saved. Instead, as I said, pursue other methods that do not involve carpet bombings, war crimes and more occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people.



Hamas massacring Israelis, and also taking hostages, and also possibly using human shields are all war crimes. But per international law, that does not absolve Israel from its own obligations. And yes, no country is going to accept a terror group at their borders potentially doing this again. Which is why am saying, use other methods. Freeze their funds, target their leaders etc., Bibi propped up Hamas and allowed MILLIONS to flow through to the Hamas because he wanted to divide and rule and delegitimize Palestinian statehood. So oust Bibi, elect someone else more sensible, pursue diplomatic solutions for long term peace and use other military methods to target the terror group. Anything that does not involve carpet bombings, war crimes, taking of more lands and more oppression of the Palestinians. Regardless of whether Israel successfully removes Hamas or not, any continuing oppression and violence will inevitably result in more terrorism, more war, more terrorism - in a vicious never ending cycle. The 20 years of war on terror taught us that.
very simple solution. Tell your friends in hamas not to embed in hospitals, schools, mosques etc. but of cou Hamas and you and your fellow travellers know this but the you would not be able to enflame hatred of Jews and Israel in the idiotic belief that that will somehow help in driving the Jews into the sea.

Your faux outrage when this is exactly what Frankie and gryphon and you were hoping for is sad and pathetic.
 
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