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Frankfooter

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shack said:
No.

Apartheid is a legislated government policy whereby some of the citizens people of that country are discriminated against because of their skin colour/race.
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Denying Palestinian refugees citizenship on their homeland is one of the more extreme examples of apartheid state policy.
Of course you are an incredibly uninformed old racist who is unwilling to read the reports to actually understand the debate.

Your argument is idiotic.
Read the reports so you have a clue.

www.amnesty.org

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org

www.hrw.org

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...
www.hrw.org www.hrw.org

www.btselem.org

Apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...
www.btselem.org www.btselem.org

news.un.org

Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert

Calling on the international community to accept and adopt the recent findings in his report, an independent human rights expert said on Friday that “apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory”.
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Frankfooter said:
Thank you for admitting that its about race.
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Gaslighting and lies.

I crossed out race and put citizenship instead. No country in the world allows non-citizens to vote. With your twisted logic, every country in the world is racist and supports genocide.
 
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Gaslighting and lies.

I crossed out race and put citizenship instead. No country in the world allows non-citizens to vote. With your twisted logic, every country in the world is racist and supports genocide.
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No other country refuses to give their indigenous people's citizenship.
That is a evidence of apartheid.

Your thinking is as clever as the people pushing these ones.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721708246162170156

73% of Americans think making Israel into a democracy is more important than keeping it Jewish and apartheid.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1682437117262036992

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1724049184536363258

Join the Jews who aren't pushing genocide.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1723774831408169063
 
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Kautilya said:
Oh a few AK47s in a war zone! lol.

It is still a war crime to bomb the hospital. None of these discoveries regarding tunnels, supposed weapons, a chair and a motorbike with a bullet hole found in the region that the IDF did not plant (okay, whatever lol), mean that it absolves Israel from its obligations per international law. You cannot bomb that hospital and kill 500 civilians because there were a few guys with AK47s in there. It is still a war crime to do so.
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Sure, let Hamas keep their rocket launchers in place within the hospitals and schools so they can continue to taunt and harass Israel.
 
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Kautilya said:
If it means saving Palestinian civilian lives, then yes. Israel has the Iron Dome and other systems they can use to defend, which they do quite regularly and effectively. Along with the shelters the number of people killed by rockets is very very minimal.

500 Palestinian lives lost to take down a few launchers or even a few dozen lives, is not proportional, to the military advantage gained by taking down a few dumb rocket launchers, that in your own words, 'taunt and harass' Israel. Not damage or destroy. Taunt and harass.

So yes, that is a war crime. Per international law. I didn't make up those rules.
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So Israel should continue to allow Hamas to operate in their state-of-the-art under the hospital and school bunkers?? Let them keep perfecting their "kill a jew" systems so perhaps the next terrorist attack can bring down 4200 and kidnap 500 Jews?
 
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Kautilya said:
If it means saving Palestinian civilian lives, then yes. Israel has the Iron Dome and other systems they can use to defend, which they do quite regularly and effectively. Along with the shelters the number of people killed by rockets is very very minimal.

500 Palestinian lives lost to take down a few launchers or even a few dozen lives, is not proportional, to the military advantage gained by taking down a few dumb rocket launchers, that in your own words, 'taunt and harass' Israel. Not damage or destroy. Taunt and harass.

So yes, that is a war crime. Per international law. I didn't make up those rules.
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of course as usual you are right. Palestinian civilians are much more important than Jewish or Israeli citizens. And if hamas regroups, re arms etc and butchers another 1200 Jews no biggie. And of course no country has a duty to protect us population.
 
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Kautilya said:
If it means saving Palestinian civilian lives, then yes. Israel has the Iron Dome and other systems they can use to defend, which they do quite regularly and effectively. Along with the shelters the number of people killed by rockets is very very minimal.

500 Palestinian lives lost to take down a few launchers or even a few dozen lives, is not proportional, to the military advantage gained by taking down a few dumb rocket launchers, that in your own words, 'taunt and harass' Israel. Not damage or destroy. Taunt and harass.

So yes, that is a war crime. Per international law. I didn't make up those rules.
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Ok, but no one is going to really accept that this is the way it works - or should work.

Let's play through the scenario. HAMAS blatantly breaches any international law or convention ever written. It raids a music festival and commits obscene and stomach turning outrages against helpless women and children and takes hostages like some band of Medieval barbarians. It also subjects Israel to a bombardment.

It then retreats to Gaza where it has deliberately and carefully prepared fortified positions under essential civilian humanitarian structures, thus ensuring that Israel too must - arguably - breach the Geneva Convention if the IDF attacks HAMAS and destroys its capacity to commit more war crimes.

HAMAS can then argue - like @DinkleMouse - that if Israel kills 5,000 Palestinian civilians to stop HAMAS attacking again and killing 4,999 or fewer Israeli civilians that Israel has failed "proportionality" and is the bigger war criminal.

The convention was clearly never written to be distorted in this way. NO country is going to accept that a terror group can raid, torture, rape, murder and kidnap its citizens simply by then fortifying a hospital as its stronghold. It's just too easy an exploit to set up - again and again and again and again.
 
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