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Frankfooter

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Prove it...you can't. But you have time and again, defend Hamas- a recognized terrorist group so.....
Your refusal to call out Israel killing children is one example, same with your defence of targeting hospitals, journalists and civilians.
Your refusal to call out genocide is your support of genocide.
 

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Your refusal to call out Israel killing children is one example, same with your defence of targeting hospitals, journalists and civilians.
Your refusal to call out genocide is your support of genocide.
There's non, there are collateral damage because Hamas put them in harms way....told civilians to ignore the warnings...basically telling civilians don't leave the war zone...
You on the other hand still not calling for release of hostages...why?
 
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Translation: It’s effective. The apartheid and genocide labels are now synonymous with Israel.
Been keeping an eye on every reports...seems like there's no genocide going on...Israel ushering civilians out of North gaza...not good for Hamas...
 
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There's non, there are collateral damage because Hamas put them in harms way....told civilians to ignore the warnings...basically telling civilians don't leave the war zone...
You on the other hand still not calling for release of hostages...why?
 

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I do think Hamas should surrender and release hostages. However even if they did, there won't be a ceasefire. That in my opinion is a naive take.

What will happen is that the IDF will occupy Northern Gaza, create a DMZ and move settlers in and institute a West Bank like scenario, further dividing Gaza. Their reason will be security, and they will point to other extremist groups like the Islamic Jihad etc., as reasons for their continuing military engagement. In essence, steal land and institute more apartheid.
They would have no choice but to call a cease-fire. As the US has pretty much forced a humanitarian pause, if they released the hostages and surrendered Netty would have no choice, absolutely NONE. Just put your biases out of this and think who would they be fighting if HAMAS surrenders? WHat, the bricks and blocks still standing??
 
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They would have no choice but to call a cease-fire. As the US has pretty much forced a humanitarian pause, if they released the hostages and surrendered Netty would have no choice, absolutely NONE. Just put your biases out of this and think who would they be fighting if HAMAS surrenders? WHat, the bricks and blocks still standing??
What makes you think Netanyahu would stop killing Palestinians even if they surrendered?
 
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What makes you think Netanyahu would stop killing Palestinians even if they surrendered?
So then your dream scenario is to empower HAMAS so they can keep battling Netanyahu?

Do you actually believe the US would allow Netanyahu to continue to bomb Gaza if Hamas surrenders and hostages released??
 
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So then your dream scenario is to empower HAMAS so they can keep battling Netanyahu?

Do you actually believe the US would allow Netanyahu to continue to bomb Gaza if Hamas surrenders and hostages released??
No, you need both sides to ceasefire.
A surrender means one can keep killing until they kill everyone they call terrorist, which is everyone.

Netanyahu might stop bombing but he definitely would keep trying to kill anyone he suspects of being Hamas.

Ceasefire.

 

squeezer

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They will point to other Islamic groups. It is not just Hamas right? Islamic Jihad etc? They would also say that this is now a new security situation and that they would like to occupy to bring stability. So they will occupy Northern Gaza, bring the PA in and say that they will be responsible for administration while Israel will take care of security. They will slowly move settlers in, create walls, checkpoints, and constantly point to the October 7 attack as justification, effectively pressuring the Palestinians even further. This will lead to more terrorism, more reprisals, and more bombings south of Gaza. And they will rinse repeat this until they take all of those lands creating refugees, and reduce the Palestinians to a few densely populated enclaves, entirely dependent on Israel, surrounded and separated by Israeli settlements and heavy militarization. In essence ethnic cleansing, apartheid and land theft.

This is a tried and tested Israeli tactic that they pursued in the West Bank. It is what will happen.

And can anyone trust Bibi and his ultra-right wing government that runs on a "No Palestinian Statehood" platform? The US will have no real say in this, because the Israelis will spin it and lie to the US that they are not occupying at all - just ensuring security and the US will let it happen. How do I know this? Because it has happened before and the US let it happen.
The odds are Netty will not be voted in again and again, he will have no choice if they are relying on Western money, arms and support. Do they need to ensure an Oct 7 attack will never happen again, YES they do.
 
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squeezer

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No, you need both sides to ceasefire.
A surrender means one can keep killing until they kill everyone they call terrorist, which is everyone.

Netanyahu might stop bombing but he definitely would keep trying to kill anyone he suspects of being Hamas.

Ceasefire.
I am fine with them eliminating everyone within Hamas. I do not pity anyone affiliated with Hamas.
 
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The odds are Netty will not be voted in again and again, he will have no choice if they are relying on Western money, arms and support. Do they need to ensure an Oct 7 attack will never happen again, YES they do.
The cycle of violence will only end when the occupation and apartheid end.
Palestinians are the majority and you can't keep stealing their land forever.

 
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