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The fact Minassian just committed mass murder seems to be completely irrelevant to you.
There's a public document called the Criminal Code of Canada you should take a look at one day that would answer that question. Damn! I keep forgetting! You never do any research!
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I`ve never played any video game, can`t help ya. Still better to at least attempt to defend yourself than be cut down like a feral hog.
WTF? Do you think the criminal code says courts aren't needed because cops should just shoot suspects? Why don't you research what part of the code says that. Shit your argument is getting very dumb.
Yeah, I'm sure you're got expert level target discrimination while drinking in a dark club surrounded by other vigilantes pulling out their guns.
I can't tell if people with your attitude think you're superheroes or if your just paranoid about everything around you. I've grown up and lived in several 'rough' neighbourhoods but never felt the need to arm myself. Shit can happen to anyone but reality has shown the easy availability of guns makes it more likely that innocent people get shot.
Good people with guns saving lives all the time.
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I have, and obviously you haven't by the statement you have made because the Criminal Code does not say that. Looks like you are ignorant on the court process as well.
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A trained, government employee doing her job. Sadly too many American cops think the way poorboy does and decide to gun down people instead of arresting them.
Yet you still think that instead of arresting the unarmed guy, you think the criminal code promotes cops instituting summary justice.
No, the Criminal Code outlines police justification of the use of force, but again, because you haven't bothered to look at it, you make an outlandish statement.
Do some research. You are showing your ignorance of the laws of Canada.
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So what sections are they? What options do they have? And when would this apply?
Quite obviously Basketcase is right, and you need to do better research or talk with your “operational buddies”.
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I am sick and tired of spoonfeeding basketcase references. There's been about 10 threads over the years where he does the same thing as you, asking for publicly available information because he's too lazy to do it himself.
Also remember, you said you don't need my help in post #110. Dementia?
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I agree poor boy on the topics of firearms. he can be very “frustrating”. But on this and maybe I missed somethin but on this he is right. Law enforcement can be criminally charged. How do you not know that??
post 110.
No idea what your referring to. No where in that post did I say “I don’t need your help”…I’m wondering if you have some kind of issue….especially given how many times you’ve been clueless in this thread
I know law enforcement can be criminally charged and I never said I don't know that. Police officers are subject to the Criminal Code. I even said earlier Forcillo committed murder in post 109.
You quote Section 26 of the Criminal Code, but conveniently leave out Section 25(1) to warp the narrative.
I've never been clueless in this thread. You are the one who is clueless if you think some police officer who shoots 250 rounds per year at paper is somehow more qualified than some civilian shooters.
You are the one who has been clueless, thinking civilian shooters have nothing to offer because they don't have combat experience and failing to recognize that high end military and law enforcement units get training from civilian shooters.
You are the one who has been clueless, overestimating the abilities of the average military and law enforcement soldier or officer as only a fraction have combat experience.
You claim you have a firearms licence, yet are clueless about sport shooting, competition shooting or the big names of the shooters in the industry. At best, you are an armchair firearms critic.
If you don't have dementia, it means that multiple times, you've tried to warp the narrative and conveniently ignore previous information, showing your lack of credibility, which is the issue I have.
Fact: Lam would have been operating within the constraints of the Criminal Code if he shot and killed Minassian on the spot without talking to him. Something though he couldn't do because he was incompetent with his pistol and didn't even have a round in the chamber.
Because guys like basketcase don't know the law, they think police need to ask questions first or deescalate first instead of shooting immediately when someone who had just committed mass murder, was threatening to shoot a police officer, and needed to be prevented from getting back in the van and continuing his rampage. Police to not have to stop and ask questions before shooting all the time like basketcase thinks.
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I have to assume then I read this wrong too. Or like you thinking untrained civilians will do better, and/or CCW will you change your tune again.
Clearly, based on that, you believe police ( likely civilian wanna be heroes) should shoot first and ask questions later…..No matter what the circumstances are. You think that because a person has murdered other people, that justifies them being executed.
With respect to the to the rest, clearly youre clueless weekend warrior who thinks being trained to shoot paper by X is anything like being trained and prepared to handle “combat stress”. Clearly Einstein, they are two extremely different environments you can’t grasp. Most likely because you’ve never experienced the latter.
And that despite the fact or in top of the facts police also have to by law, explore alternatives like deescalation and or less lethal. Aka their use of force model. Which you have no idea about, being the weekend warrior, key board warrior, armchair call of duty expert you are.
Which you’ve clearly, very clearly demonstrated you have no idea what that’s like, nor the effects and symptoms given you had to be told about them multiple times…weren’t and aren’t aware of them…. Can’t even grasp shooting paper is worlds different. Nor can you grasp Einstein, that many civilians including your range trainers, wouldn’t pass psyche evals, Einstein. Aka they wouldn’t even make it to OPC to begin basic…Let alone be issued weapons whether firearms, batons, for use in the public etc.
And had you ever actually experienced it ( combat stress) then your responses to such things would also be different. Why don’t you ask your pretend operational friends if they think untrained civilians should be armed, or could do better. I doubt you’ll find one imaginary friend to agree with you.
Clearly, you’re a weekend warrior, suffering from a few things, not the least of which is self delusion.
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Warped the narrative again and not reading what I've written.
I never said untrained civilians will do better. I said a competition shooter would do better and not to underestimate civilian shooters. As well, just because someone is a civilian, does not mean they are untrained.
Police and military also train at shooting at paper almost all the time, something you can't seem to grasp. Yet they still reach out to Jerry Miculek and Lanny Bassham for training. Two civilian shooters who I've provided references to who train military and police who have never killed anyone or had military training.
My response to stress would be different, because everyone reacts differently. I know that because I've experienced it, and it does not happen in the textbook order or hit all the points you keep parroting, like an academic.
You are 100% wrong on the use of force model. It is not policy or law and shouldn't be used to justify police intervention, Einstein. Do a public search on use of force model Canada.
I also very clearly said just one post before that Police to not have to stop and ask questions before shooting ALL the time. That doesn't mean every time.
You have warped the narrative again and now have made a completely misleading statement saying something is the law when it isn't, further damaging any credibility you have remaining.
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Having read the thread as a neutral observer, and evaluating the debating styles and points made on their own merits, it appears to me that he and basketcase have a lot more credibility than you do.
If you respond, I suspect that I will be on the receiving end of some insults. That seems to be your style
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You are free to believe what you want. This is Canada, not a dictatorship.
I don't go beyond the scope of my knowledge, and have never claimed I am an expert, but I have decades of practical shooting experience and regularly go to the range where I encounter law enforcement where I see their level of training and find out sometimes what really happened, and not what the press puts out. I have previous military experience and went through the phase training at CFB Gagetown CTC, and departed with dignity "aka honourably discharged" in 2021. I am very familiar with how much training the average Canadian soldier gets and what it's like to operate under extreme stress.
As an Officer, you do summary investigations on non commissioned personnel under the the now Kings Orders and Regulations, but for criminal offences, the Criminal Code applies, so I had to know that as well.
Just keep in mind that I post facts, and I don't mislead people by stating something is law, when it isn't, and provide links unless it's basketcase because he refuses to look anything up himself.
As you can see, Use of Force model is not policy, law or justification like "Not getting any younger" believes. It is a training tool.
Incident Management / Intervention Model | Royal Canadian Mounted Police (rcmp-grc.gc.ca)
cacp-use-of-force-advisory-committee.html
The vast majority of police are great guys and model citizens, but above average shooters under pressure, they are not.
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I’m getting sick of having to go back and quote you. You’re either a bad liar or you struggle to remember arguments you’ve made. It’s hardly changing the narrative when I can quote you.
And like having to write reports, unlike you, I don’t need to google use of force model. I have to abide by it Einstein. Or have you not clued in yet?
So you want to claim you haven’t said untrained civilians will do better in situations where stress is extreme?
