Israel at war

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So it follows that the partisan pro-Israel movement, is one of white supremacy, racism and colonialism - ideals, that everyone should fight against. The pro-Palestinian movement, in that case, is morally correct and the pro-Israeli movement, is not.

The problem with the partisan pro-Israel movements, is that its proponents believe that military action can counter Islamic fundamentalism. If anything that the war on terror has taught us, it is precisely military action that enables them.

So why do they ignore information that already exists, and still support Israel's war crimes? For one or more of the following reasons:

a) Israel is perceived as a 'liberal, western, democracy' and therefore 'more civilized'. Well, they are not. They neither have a constitution, nor, basic freedoms such as inter-religious marriage. Or, the requirement of equality, that is at the core of every western and non-western democracy that has a constitution. Neither is their behaviour with the Palestinians, remotely, civilized.

b) Some people are Jewish - Understandable. They are nationalistic.

c) People in the west do not want to or are afraid to be perceived as 'antisemitic' or be accused of 'antisemitism'- This is a classic case of 'white guilt'. White people, slaughtered Jews back during WW2. So now, they walk on egg shells around them, to the extent they believe that unwaveringly supporting Israel and its war crimes is necessary in order to appear pro-Jewish, lest they be accused of antisemitism. Israel and the pro-Israel lobby leverages this to great effect.

d) Racism and Xenophobia - It is easy to hate people who are poor and downtrodden, such as the Palestinians and to stereotype them as 'barbaric' and as 'savages' even if Israel is more barbaric and savage in their response. Aka, racism and/or xenophobia. People here, hate Muslims more, than they love Jews.

e) Political partisanship, or 'toeing the line' - Supporting the popular thing, because it is popular and more socially acceptable. The western media and governments are overwhelmingly pro-Israel. It is easier therefore to support what everyone else is supporting.

f) They are uninformed that prolonged military action, actually works against the goal of eradicating extremism. Meaning, they do not understand why extremism exists.

None of these are a good case, for the pro-Israel movement.
Islamic fundamentalism is a form of Facism. Ask Neville Chamberlain how ignoring it worked out.

It will as likely end up as the opponent in the next World War as anything.
 

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Probably since the time Hamas has been firing rockets into Israel, even after Israel left the area.

More idiotic strategy by Hamas.
How is ignoring the advice of Ben Gurion working for you?
Israel is apartheid, the two state solution is dead and Jews are the minority.
The only thing you're doing well with is genocide and turning Israel into the most hated country in the world.


 
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The big problem with that post is that Israel will never get rid of Hamas.
You'd do far better to negotiate.

Killing people is only making Israel hated.

Israel is killing aid workers.

Bombing hospitals won't win friends.

And now you've got Jewish Auschwitz survivors calling zionists 'Nazis'.
So much winning.

 
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The attraction of the anti Israel / pro Palestinian movement in the West is that it can be framed as support for downtrodden brown people against powerful whites. In a world where such causes are becoming increasingly difficult to find, it's probably the only game in town. (The West no longer colonizes Africa, no longer supports wars in Asia and Latin America and has liberalized laws directed against gays and women. The old demo heyday of the 60's and early 70's are long gone).

So the movement attracts hard left people - often fairly young - who are emotionally attracted to the idea of a "cause" and who are very low information - or even "no information". So they ignore the plain fact that Islamic fundamentalism - and even most Islamic societies in the Middle East - are extremely fucked up and nasty for emotional reasons.

The tee shirt icons of my youth - Che, Lenin, Fidel, Mao, etc - were pretty nauseating too. But we still liked them.
So why is Jewish supremacy ok but Islamic fundamentalism evil?
They are both stupid religious extremists.

These are 'doctors' in Israel?

Its time to decolonize, mandrill.
Settler colonialism is so 19th century.

This movement is attracting people who care about people all around the world.
 

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From The National Post:

Do these people know who they are cheering for, and what would happen to them in Muslim countries?

Armin Navabi: Queers for Palestine's unholy alliance with Islamic fundamentalists
Opinion by Quillette • 11h

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On the morning of Oct. 7, the Palestinian terror group Hamas orchestrated a multi-pronged assault against Israel from the Gaza Strip. Their fighters breached the heavily fortified border and murdered more than 1,400 Israeli civilians, including young children. Here in the West, the political discourse surrounding these brutal events and the war that has come in their wake has been coloured by a misguided transposition of western identity politics onto the Middle East, which collapses all nuance and reduces a complex situation into a simple binary of oppressor versus oppressed.

Leftists in English-speaking nations tend to see Palestinians (including Hamas) as an oppressed, brown victim class, whose freedom-fighting “resistance” against their oppressive, white, U.S.-backed colonizers in Israel is a righteous cause with which to stand in solidarity. This facile view of the long-standing conflict in the Middle East leads to confused and contradictory thinking, as seen in the incoherent slogan (and now meme) “Queers for Palestine,” emblazoned on banners brandished at anti-Israel rallies.

“Queers for Palestine” attempts to meld LGBTQ+ advocacy with Palestinian liberation, a juxtaposition that has precipitated a whirlwind of criticism and ridicule , since LGBTQ+ rights scarcely exist within the Muslim world; and the Palestinian territories are no exception. The slogan has been widely satirized. Variations like “ Chickens for KFC ” and “ Blacks for the KKK ” highlight its proponents’ basic lack of awareness of just how incompatible the values of the western left are with those of the Islamic right they so readily champion.

The reality of the situation could not be starker. Though there is room for improvement in Israeli attitudes towards these issues, Israel is at the forefront of LGBTQ+ rights in the Middle East. In Israel, LGBTQ+ people are visible members of society with legal protections and civil rights, and are accepted by a plurality of its citizens.

Palestine is quite a different story. A 2021 report on LGBTQ+ acceptance by UCLA’s Williams Institute rated Israel 44th out of the 175 countries/territories it examined. Palestine came in at number 130, behind Russia, Saudi Arabia and the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Georgetown University likewise placed Palestine 160th out of 170 countries on its women’s peace and security index, in company with most of the countries in that region. Amnesty International’s 2020 report on human rights highlights the fact that, in Gaza, male same-sex relationships are punishable by up to 10 years’ imprisonment and points out the conspicuous absence of legal protections against anti-LGBTQ+ discrimination and harassment. This lack of civil rights has led hundreds of gay and bisexual Palestinians to flee to Israel to escape persecution . One such refugee, Ahmad Abu Marhia , a 25-year-old gay Palestinian man, was living under asylum in Israel when, in 2022, he was kidnapped and beheaded in the West Bank city of Hebron. His murderers uploaded footage of the killing to social media.

Every time these disparities are mentioned, critics are quick to lob accusations of “pinkwashing” — a concept invented to frame any discussion of Israel’s progressive stance on LGBTQ+ issues as a distraction from its mistreatment of Palestinians. But the fact remains that these “Queers for Palestine” could march in Pride parades in Israel if they wanted to. In Palestine, they’d be killed.

Another disconcerting element of “Queers for Palestine” is that the slogan popped up in prominent left-wing anti-Israel/pro-Palestine rallies in the immediate aftermath of Hamas’s terrorist attacks, before Israel had even had the chance to respond. There is no way to interpret this slogan and the surrounding leftist fervour except as a signal of support not merely for Palestine, but specifically for Hamas, a jihadist movement with the explicit aim of eradicating the State of Israel. It’s imperative to understand that Hamas, as detailed in its 1988 Covenant, is propelled by a fundamentalist Islamist ideology whose goal is not only to eliminate all Jews but to conquer the world — just like ISIS. Senior Hamas official Mahmoud al-Zahar has stated on record , “The entire planet will be under our law, there will be no more Jews or Christian traitors.”

Western support for Hamas, under the guise of support for Palestinian liberation, betrays an ignorance of the deep-seated radical Islamist ethos driving that organization, which, if left unchecked, would jeopardize the very freedoms cherished by LGBTQ+ people across the developed world. Anyone who doubts this should try being gay, bi or trans in most of the Middle East and North Africa’s Muslim-majority countries. Almost all these nations have laws that criminalize both homosexuality and transsexuality , some of which carry the death penalty . Human Rights Watch’s report “ Everyone Wants Me Dead ” succinctly encapsulates in its title alone the perilous environment faced by LGBTQ+ individuals in these regions.

Many on the western left, including the LGBTQ+ left, have become enamoured with critical social justice , through whose warped lens they perceive all of humanity as fitting into two classes: oppressors and oppressed. Armed with this simplistic, binary worldview, leftists gravitate toward perceived liberation movements for other so-called oppressed groups. This narrow prism obscures the universalist ideology of Islamism espoused by groups like Hamas, which under a facade of anti-imperialist rhetoric, harbours a brutal dogma that is antithetical to the liberties and rights championed by LGBTQ+ activists. No matter how much they complain about “pinkwashing,” they can’t conceal the absurd irony of this situation, in which folks who believe in LGBTQ+ liberation are cheerleading ideological movements from which they would flee as refugees were they to live under such regimes.

To be sure, the Palestinian people have endured more than their fair share of suffering, and it’s easy to see how the Palestinian resistance narrative can carry the allure of righteous rebellion, especially for those factions of the hard left that aspire to dismantle liberal society. The vicarious thrill of romanticized revolution leads some to go far beyond simply advocating for the Palestinian people to expressing solidarity with Hamas, ignoring the jihadist ideology at the core of that organization. The followers of this ideology are oppressing LGBTQ+ Palestinians at this very moment. Given half a chance, they would oppress the very leftists now voicing support for the Palestinian cause. And, indeed, this has happened before.

The aftermath of the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran is a harrowing tale. Leftists were tortured and executed en masse by the very Islamic regime they supported for the sake of their anti-imperialist goals; many Iranians who aligned with leftist organizations supported the revolution only to find themselves persecuted by Islamists they helped put in power.

Immediately following the revolution, the new regime led by Ayatollah Khomeini began systematically oppressing LGBTQ+ people and publicly executing them by the thousands . These atrocities were justified as a means of “eliminating corruption” and preventing the “contamination” of society. Between 4,000 and 6,000 gay, lesbian and bisexual people have been executed since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Iran’s legal system, rooted in Islamic law, criminalizes consensual sexual relations between same-sex individuals, with penalties ranging from lashes to death. Iranian law does not distinguish between consensual and non-consensual same-sex intercourse; allowing authorities to prosecute both perpetrators and victims of sexual assault.

Images of gay and bi men hanged from cranes so that they slowly suffocate to death serve as grim reminders for anyone interested in human rights: align with Islamic fundamentalists at your peril.
The phenomenon of “Queers for Palestine,” and the realities it glosses over, underscore the need for a more informed and discerning discourse — a discourse that transcends catchy slogans and moral binaries and delves into the complex, often discordant ideologies at play in the Israel-Palestine conflict. That way, we can advocate for a better future without bolstering forces antithetical to liberal values, and without betraying LGBTQ+ people by undermining their very rights and freedoms. We can’t do that if we overwrite the complicated dynamics of a 75-year foreign conflict with our own provincial identity politics.

Armin Navabi is an ex-Muslim atheist, author and podcaster. He is the founder of Atheist Republic, co-host of the podcast Secular Jihadists and the author of “Why There Is No God” (2014).


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They throw them off the buildings. In Iran they hang them. How stupid, I find it hard to believe they don't understand it.
 

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Another representative of the religion of peace

Muslim Influencer Calls for the Genocide of His Hindu Countrymen, Hopes They Are Slaughtered Like the 'Jews and Israeli Dogs' (Video)


Arif Nashriyaat is known for indoctrinating his Muslim audience to pick up weapons for the cause of jihad and kill all non-Muslim citizens living in India, which includes millions of Hindus, Christians, and Sikhs.
As Islamic Jihadis worldwide are celebrating and proudly rejoicing at gruesome incidents of rapes and beheadings carried out by Hamas against Jews and Israelis, a disturbing and dangerous trend is emerging in India. Muslims within the country are making similar genocidal calls and inciting similar violence against the Hindu community, raising concerns about growing religious tensions and security threats.

In a now-viral video clip circulating on social media, Arif Nashriyaat, a self-proclaimed ‘public figure’ and a Muslim extremist from India, expressed his support and admiration for the actions of Hamas. His inflammatory rhetoric is causing alarm and highlighting a troubling trend within the country.

Nashriyaat’s video opens with him thanking Allah for granting his Holy Warriors the “Muslim brothers of Palestine” over the”Israeli dogs.” His inflammatory language not only targets Israelis but also threatens Hindus in India. He draws parallels between the two communities, suggesting that the fate of Hindus in India could be similar to what he perceives as the plight of Palestinians. He goes on to call upon Indian Muslims to take up arms and rise against their Hindu compatriots.
The transcript of the video reveals Nashriyaat’s message:
Allah has given a big victory to the Muslim brothers of Palestine. Those dogs of Israel who used to beat Muslim brothers in Masjid Al-Aqsa until yesterday, made widows out of mothers and orphans out of children. They laid the corpses of these innocent children and wanted to snatch Masjid Al-Aqsa. Allah has conveyed a message to all those Jews and Israeli dogs in just one day, illustrating how Allah supports Muslims. In accordance with the Quran, ‘You fight for Allah so that Allah punishes the oppressors through you, humiliates them, and helps you while cooling the hearts of the believers.’ The Muslims of Masjid Aqsa were engaged in a continuous struggle, facing oppression. Today, Allah has granted them substantial assistance, leaving the entire world astonished. It’s essential to remember those who sacrificed, such as Iqbal, Waris, and Nasir. InshaAllah, a day will come when Allah’s help will arrive, and every Sanghi, oppressor, and RSS [Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh Party] worker in India will witness h
 

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Another jihadist with shit for brains, she thought it was a Jewish school. Israelite School of Universal and Practical Knowledge

Woman arrested for allegedly crashing car into Indianapolis 'Jewish school' with people inside: police

A woman has been arrested on allegedly crashing her car into what she thought was a Jewish school in Indianapolis over the weekend.

The Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department (IMPD) says a woman is in custody after allegedly driving her car into a building she thought was a Jewish school over the weekend.

According to a police report, officers were called to the building, which officials say is used by the Israelite School of Universal and Practical Knowledge, around 11:30 p.m. Friday to investigate a possible hate crime.

Upon arrival, officers say they found Ruba Almaghtheh, 34, who had backed her car into the building while several adults and children were inside. Police labeled Almaghtheh a "terrorist" according to Fox 59.

Officers say Almaghtheh told them she was watching news coverage of the Israel-Hamas war on television, and was offended by the "Hebrew Israelite" symbol on the outside building – so she decided to attack the building.

Almaghtheh also told police she crashed into the building on purpose and also talked about "her people back home in Palestine."

The Indianapolis Jewish Community Relations Council released a statement on the incident saying they have been working alongside law enforcement on this incident.

"Although a Jewish facility was not targeted, solely due to ironic misidentification, this is yet another reminder to maintain security protocols, remain vigilant of suspicious activity and to report same promptly to the appropriate authorities," the statement reads.

IMPD says they reached out to the local FBI to continue to investigate this incident.

 

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And the shit for brains continue to defend hamass

Dozens of Hamas rockets found inside youth center, mosque

Over 50 rockets found inside youth center in Gaza together with launchers, rocket launching sites found inside mosque.

During combat operations in the Gaza Strip, IDF forces located and uncovered additional evidence of Hamas' use of civilian sites for terrorist purposes and especially for launching rockets at the State of Israel.

During activity by a team of soldiers of the 460th Brigade to locate terrorist infrastructure and clear the area, rocket launch pits found by the soldiers in a mosque were destroyed.

In addition, during several activities in the past day, the soldiers found over 50 rockets ready to be launched into Israel from inside a youth movement compound in Northern Gaza.

Earlier, it was announced that overnight, an IAF fighter jet, directed by ISA and IDF intelligence, killed the Commander of Hamas’ Deir al-Balah Battalion in the Central Camps Brigade, Wael Asefa. Asefa, together with other commanders of the Central Camps Brigade, was responsible for sending Hamas “Nukhba” terrorists into Israeli territory during the barbaric massacre on October 7th. Following the massacre, he planned additional terrorist attacks.

Wael Asefa was imprisoned between 1992-1998 for his involvement in terrorist attacks against Israeli communities and has been involved in the incitement and promotion of terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians and IDF soldiers for decades.

 
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And the shit for brains continue to defend hamass

Dozens of Hamas rockets found inside youth center, mosque

Over 50 rockets found inside youth center in Gaza together with launchers, rocket launching sites found inside mosque.

During combat operations in the Gaza Strip, IDF forces located and uncovered additional evidence of Hamas' use of civilian sites for terrorist purposes and especially for launching rockets at the State of Israel.

During activity by a team of soldiers of the 460th Brigade to locate terrorist infrastructure and clear the area, rocket launch pits found by the soldiers in a mosque were destroyed.

In addition, during several activities in the past day, the soldiers found over 50 rockets ready to be launched into Israel from inside a youth movement compound in Northern Gaza.

Earlier, it was announced that overnight, an IAF fighter jet, directed by ISA and IDF intelligence, killed the Commander of Hamas’ Deir al-Balah Battalion in the Central Camps Brigade, Wael Asefa. Asefa, together with other commanders of the Central Camps Brigade, was responsible for sending Hamas “Nukhba” terrorists into Israeli territory during the barbaric massacre on October 7th. Following the massacre, he planned additional terrorist attacks.

Wael Asefa was imprisoned between 1992-1998 for his involvement in terrorist attacks against Israeli communities and has been involved in the incitement and promotion of terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians and IDF soldiers for decades.

And you believe the IDF?

They lie about everything, like tunnels under hospitals.
 

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IDF Dog Has Terrorists Screaming Like Girls… too funny


Here's What Happened When an IDF-Trained Dog Found a Hamas Terrorist in a Tunnel

Israeli forces continue to clear out Hamas terrorists, many of whom are hiding in the terror tunnels. They’re waiting to ambush incoming IDF forces; some have already done so, though they have been beaten back. Based on maps, Israel intends on cutting Gaza in half while dealing with Gaza City in the north first, where reportedly most of the hostages are being held.

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Israel gaining the military advantage was never in doubt; Hamas has no air force. It’s the clearing out of terrorists in the tunnels, plus urban warfare and a hostile population, that makes this operation messy. It’s why Israel can and should take their time. And it doesn’t help that they’re conducting this war under the microscope, where pro-Hamas elements in the media, activist circles, and academia are spewing antisemitism into the airwaves.

They do have a foam bomb to deal with terrorists hiding in the tunnels, but it’s still risky as they need to set off these devices in the dark, and the chemicals have blinded IDF soldiers in multiple accidents. The tunnels are also booby-trapped. Thousands of terrorists can hide down there, thanks to Hamas hoarding fuel that keeps the generators flushing these underground structures with oxygen.

But there’s also another anti-personnel device that’s been effective in catching terrorists underground: dogs. Watch what happened when an IDF-trained dog found a Hamas terrorist hiding:

 
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