Israeli officials: Oxygen concentrators for Gaza tunnels found hidden in aid shipment
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And this is why aid isn't getting through.
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And this is why aid isn't getting through.
Only you frank.
Even though I disagree with Kautilya on many points, I give him credit for having integrity and answering my very valid question. Integrity is not in your vocabulary. You slink away like a snake every time anybody asks you a question you don't like. You are like a cowardly terrorist who hides behind human shields. Take an example from Kautilya and try to be a mensch once in a while.
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Too lazy or too stupid to do your own research? Which one is it?
Plenty of historians and scholars have discounted the relevance of religion. The Arab-Israeli and Israeli-Palestinian conflicts have always been filled by nationalism and not religion. We hear no debates from either side about which religion is right or which prophets to obey, only debates about who owns and deserves what territory. Dr. James Gelvin is one of the leading Middle Eastern historians focusing on the Palestine region, and he's written several books and published several papers about how the conflict is based on nationalism and not theology.
I didn't mention Jerusalem specifically because I don't think it should be treated differently vis a vis a return of lawful territory and my post was already pushing the limits of size. If you want clarification: I said Israel should return all illegally occupied land. That includes East Jerusalem.
Though I'll admit it could probably be fleshed out more. I'm not charged with allowing to the two sides and coming up with a final deal though. I still maintain its far more likely to succeed and happen than demanding Hamas terrorist just suddenly become reasonable people, or that Israel can beat the Palestinians into embracing them.
If your plan is for more Israeli violence and oppression against Palestine to make them love Israel and turn from Hamas and for Hamas terrorists to be reasonable people, I don't think you're in a position to criticise. What I propose are things Israel has never tried at least, and that's got to be better than the same old thing
I mean... I'll call you an islamophobe now. Have you seriously never met any moderate Muslims in your life?Unfortunately the only thing muslims understand is the fist of strength!
I warned Terb about 20 years ago after 9/11 but of course the dummy Lefties accused me of being Islamophobic.
This is how stupid some on the Left are.
They actually protected the ones who they now have to fight in the middle-east.......LOL
So everyone lies and has an agenda except Israel. Got it.Israeli officials: Oxygen concentrators for Gaza tunnels found hidden in aid shipment
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And this is why aid isn't getting through.
I think it's entirely possible this happened. I also think it's suspicious Israel released no photographs or evidence though. When under fire and being criticised so heavily, why keep secrets that aren't relevant to national security or defense?
OK on the 1st part.
But the last part is not accurate at all. Millions died because Hitler wanted to conquer Europe not because of what he did to the Jews.
Hell, the allies never even knew about the concentration camps and gas chambers until the after the Germans ran away.
So the plight of the Jews was not an issue as to why millions of allies died in WWII. Sorry to disappoint you.
The world didn't care then, which was why the guy wore the yellow star to the UN. He was reminding the UN of a not so ancient history of anti-Semitism and how it could easily be repeated.
It doesn't seem like much of a court??
cases | International Criminal Court
The International Criminal Court (ICC) investigates and, where warranted, tries individuals charged with the gravest crimes of concern to the international community: genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and the crime of aggression.//La Cour pénale internationale (CPI) mène des enquêtes...
Seems like a mickey mouse court, to me!!
cases | International Criminal Court
The International Criminal Court (ICC) investigates and, where warranted, tries individuals charged with the gravest crimes of concern to the international community: genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and the crime of aggression.//La Cour pénale internationale (CPI) mène des enquêtes...
Oh man. You are the ultimate debater. What was I thinking?
Have you ever lost a debate?
Israel will continue to “ make the earth shake“ in Gaza until Hamas is neutered and unable to send any rockets into Israel from Gaza.
Hamas has succeeded in stopping for the foreseeable future and to the delight of Iran and Russia, the Israelis and other Arab nations most importantly Saudi Arabia from normalizing and strengthening ties.
There is much ambivalence from most Arab governments including neighbouring Jordan and Egypt towards the plight of the Palestinians which has been the case well before October 7th of this year.
No country is prepared to engage in direct war with Israel over the the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza or the West Bank.
The death count in Gaza will become a U.S. election issue in 2024, aided by social media bringing images of thousands of maimed and murdered Gaza civilians particularly children across global social media.
Hamas has succeeded in stopping for the foreseeable future and to the delight of Iran and Russia, the Israelis and other Arab nations most importantly Saudi Arabia from normalizing and strengthening ties.
There is much ambivalence from most Arab governments including neighbouring Jordan and Egypt towards the plight of the Palestinians which has been the case well before October 7th of this year.
No country is prepared to engage in direct war with Israel over the the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza or the West Bank.
The death count in Gaza will become a U.S. election issue in 2024, aided by social media bringing images of thousands of maimed and murdered Gaza civilians particularly children across global social media.
Responding generally to your points.
There is stuff that is not going to happen in the Middle East. There is no political will in Israel - especially under Netanyahu - to curb the illegal settlements on the West Bank or the anti Arab prejudices. And it takes a huge leap of faith to think that Gaza is going to transition from anti Israel revanchist feelings to acceptance and cooperation with Israel. Even if you kill a number of HAMAS leaders and force the others to flee to other Arab countries, a new generation of HAMAS or a facsimile will replace them. The Gazans have been raised to hate Israel and IMO the current situation has been created by HAMAS to bolster international and internal support and they have succeeded by creating an outrage that no Israeli leader could fail to respond to with overwhelming military force.
While you make the point that Israeli casualties caused by HAMAS have been light up to 7 October, surely that is because HAMAS previously had a policy of tacit acceptance of Israel. There's no great technological or military feat involved in 7 October. You need a few bulldozers to knock down the fence and several hundred armed assholes with AK-47's to murder, rape and torture civilians and take hostages.
7 October could happen on any day of any month of any year that didn't feature an all out attack by the IDF on Gaza itself. And probably will. What sovereign country can possibly tolerate that sort of threat?
Surely it's time for the Gazans to be accepted by the other Arab nations and re settled and for Gaza to be incorporated into Israel?
There are many precedents, most from the post 1945 period. Germany accepted Germans from East Prussia and Silesia and other areas incorporated into Poland. Stalin forcibly re settled Poles from the Lviv area into the rest of Poland and Ukrainians from other areas of Poland into Ukraine. (That ended decades of genocidal war between Poles and Ukrainians in the region).
There are some situations that good will and reason simply aren't going to solve. Israel has been sitting on the areas it occupies for 75 years. There are 3 generations of Palestinians that have grown up under Israeli occupation. This isn't a recent outrage. It's something that happened back when Grandad was young.
Do United Empire Loyalists get to have their farms in New York and Pennsylvania given back to them with damages because they got kicked out of the USA in 1783? There are simply grievances which are too old to re fight.
I was looking for an acknowledgement that Hamas is complicit in the Gazan deaths and by agreeing that not as many Gazans would have died if not for Oct. 7, you are agreeing with me at least to some extent.
I believe you'd previously said that it was ALL Israel's fault.
Rather generalized racism here. Some Tamils celebrated the Tigers terror attacks and Some Buddhists in Myanmar celebrated attacks on Muslim civilians.
But yes, Hamas and their backers like Frank celebrate their attacks and find pathetic ways to pretend that Jewish civilians aren't really civilians.
There's a difference between free speech and hate speech.
You and frank know this because you keep accusing us all of hate speech for criticizing hamas.
To be fair, some backed Hamas because Fatah is so corrupt (not that Hamas is much less corrupt). But yes, after 100 years of being told by leaders that violence will rid the area of Jews, there are people who believe it.
How about the tenet of Islamic thought that territory taken from a Muslim rules is apostate and every devout Muslim must try and return that land to Allah?
It's nuts and no reasonable Muslim believes it. But HAMAS probably does.
Definitely true, considering that Canada and other countries turned away Jewish refugees and sent them right back to Nazi Germany and the way that most of the West refused to allow Holocaust survivors to return to their homes.
But as the war progressed, Allied leaders were aware of the camps. They might not have known the extent of the killing at some of the worst ones but they knew what the Nazis said about jews.
