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Kautilya said:
This is not about Hamas. This is about the civilians killed.
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Sorry. In this particular situation, Hamas is inextricably linked to the Gazan civilians killed.

Hamas triggered Israeli retaliation on Oct 7 which has resulted in death and suffering.

Yes or no, do you think that so many Gazans would have been killed in the last 4 weeks if Hamas had not launched their attack on Oct. 7.

I know that frank would never answer such a question, but at this point I consider you be much more honourable and a more honest debater than frank, so I hope that you will do me the courtesy. Feel free to expound on your reasoning, but I'd like to hear a yes or no.
 
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Kautilya said:
WW2 was one big clusterfuck of a war crime everywhere. I don't believe such standards for war even existed at that time, did it?
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Quite possibly not, but I'm using that as an example of a historical reality. The loser of war has more casualties. And the corollary is that having more casualties is what causes one side to lose the war.

I don't think that will ever change. You're not going to win a war by keeping things proportional.
 
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shack said:
I know that frank would never answer such a question, but at this point I consider you be much more honourable and a more honest debater than frank, so I hope that you will do me the courtesy. Feel free to expound on your reasoning, but I'd like to hear a yes or no.
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You are the most dishonest person on this board, shack.
You make repeated demands that everyone answer your questions, then change the terms so you can say they didn't answer.
You refuse to answer any questions or to make even basic statements.

Like your refusal to say you shouldn't kill children.
So you'll get something like this for every post until you do.

Here's one of your failures, shack. A couple of terrorists who lived.
You better send more money for bombs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720565385861198013
 
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Frankfooter said:
Yes, Hamas' plan all along was to force Israel to put them in a concentration camp and turn it into a death camp.
For profit.
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Do you think that so many Gazans would be dead in the last 4 weeks if Hamas had not launched their attack on Oct 7? Yes or no.

Clearly the answer is no yet you still support that attack. You obviously don't care how many Gazans die.
 
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Kautilya said:
Doesn't matter what Hamas did, or didn't do. Israel has a choice every time they release a bomb. They should follow the rules of war and not commit war crimes
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Hamas arent following the rules either by using civilians as human shields
 
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shack said:
It started in places like the Warsaw ghetto, the yellow stars. This was before the gas chambers.
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Yes. But you didn't call that out. You called out the slaughter of the Jews by Hitler and said it was opposed by now. Which is ridiculous. Millions died opposing it.

Even after the war the world didn't care. Look at the story of the ship The Exodus, where countries refused to allow the ship to dock and take in Jewish refugees.
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The same way neither Israel nor anyone else wants to take in Palestinian refugees and you defend that? Bit hypocritical, no? Also not what you called out either. Kind of unfair to act like I implied Jews never suffered except at the hands of Hitler when I all I did was point out the folly of your statement claiming "the slaughter of Jews by Hitler was opposed by no one." 🤷‍♂️
 
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DinkleMouse said:
No, they don't. Repeatedly the UN has turned any issue raised regarding Israel and Palestine to be a demand for Israel to end their illegal occupation, and everytime the vote passes by a large margin and the US steps in to veto it.
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The UN is a joke. Israel has every right to have their own Jewish state!! Muslims control at least 55 countries in the middle east, the Jews are entitled to control one (namely Israel)!!
 
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Frankfooter said:
You are the most dishonest person on this board, shack.
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You're the one that has that honour all locked up. I think they'll name that trophy after you.

Frankfooter said:
Like your refusal to say you shouldn't kill children.
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Starting Oct. 8, you have refused to say that Hamas' attack on Israeli citizens of Oct. 7 was an act of terror.

You set the rules of engagement and I'm following your precedent. It's funny how you don't like someone using the same tactics that you initiated. That is so typical of you. You like to dish it out, but you clearly can't take it.
 
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shack said:
Unfortunately, that is not the case. Israel is deliberately targeting Hamas. Hamas are the ones putting them in harms way deliberately and directly in front of the target.
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Under the rules of war, that's not how it works. If you blow up a hospital to kill a bad guy hiding inside the hospital, you still need to establish proportional proportionality or it's a war crime.

When you blow up an enemy base and the bits of burning rubble land on the school a block over and it catches on fire, that's called collateral damage. There were no civilians in your sights when you dropped your bombs and it's a tragedy that some died from the fallout.

When you bomb a place you know it's filled with civilians, it doesn't matter if there may be some bad guys there, the laws of war classify it as the deliberate targeting of civilians. You aren't hoping your bombs miss them, you know your bombs are going to hit them. So it doesn't matter what other targets are there, you've deliberately targeted them too, and so you have to establish proportional proportionality in order for it not to be a war crime.

It's very straightforward and very cut and dry. You're trying to play semantics with international law related to preserving human life.
 
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Frankfooter said:
You've lost all pretence of morality and are now saying its all about power.
You turned into everything you hate and you didn't even notice.
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Not true at all. And it's very ironic hearing about hate when it's coming from you.

But I will say that you have a way of bringing out the worst in people.

That is also why I say that you create more discord on TERB than anyone else and you are a detriment to the board.
 
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DinkleMouse said:
Under the rules of war, that's not how it works. If you blow up a hospital to kill a bad guy hiding inside the hospital, you still need to establish proportional proportionality or it's a war crime.

When you blow up an enemy base and the bits of burning rubble land on the school a block over and it catches on fire, that's called collateral damage. There were no civilians in your sights when you dropped your bombs and it's a tragedy that some died from the fallout.

When you bomb a place you know it's filled with civilians, it doesn't matter if there may be some bad guys there, the laws of war classify it as the deliberate targeting of civilians. You aren't hoping your bombs miss them, you know your bombs are going to hit them. So it doesn't matter what other targets are there, you've deliberately targeted them too, and so you have to establish proportional proportionality in order for it not to be a war crime.

It's very straightforward and very cut and dry. You're trying to play semantics with international law related to preserving human life.
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Who cares about the rules of war!! Israel has every right to defend itself. Hamas was the one who started the war in the first place on Oct 7/2023!! Also,Israel has the total support of the US, which is a total plus!!
 
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How the hell did he even get in ?

Jordanian national living illegally in Texas accused of 'studying how to build bombs' to target Jews

Authorities in Texas have arrested a man accused of "studying how to build bombs" for a possible attack against Jewish people, and the FBI director used his case as an example of increased risk of terror attacks in the U.S.

"We’ve already seen that with the individual we arrested last week in Houston who had been studying how to build bombs and posted online his support for killing Jews," FBI Director Chris Wray said during a congressional hearing this week.

The man he was referring to is 20-year-old Sohaib Abuayyash, FOX 26 confirmed from an FBI source. The FBI referred Fox News Digital to the publicly filed court documents, which show Abuayyash was in the country illegally.
Court documents obtained by the TV station say the Jordanian national arrived in the U.S. on June 2, 2016, on a B2 tourism visa and left about two months later.

"Using a Palestine passport, Abuayyash returned to the United States in June 2019. In January 2020, Abuayyash applied for an Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, which is still pending. In August 2023, Abuayyash was approved for an employment authorization in the United States, allowing him to work in the U.S. until August 1, 2025. Abuayyash’s immigration status doesn’t allow him to possess or use firearms or ammunition," FOX 26 stated.

Abuayyash was arrested in the Houston area in October for unlawful possession of a firearm, according to federal court documents.
A public defender for Abuayyash declined to comment to Fox News Digital.

Abuayyash previously allegedly posted several images and videos of him training with firearms on social media accounts.

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Jordanian national living illegally in Texas accused of 'studying how to build bombs' to target Jews: reports

Authorities say a possible attack against Jewish people was diverted by arresting a man who was living in the Houston area while "studying how to build bombs."
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