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Butler1000 said:
We celebrate a person, who throws themselves on the grenade, or dives into the water to save a life. The firefighter running into the burning building.

We don't celebrate suicide bombers, or mass shooters. The difference is clear. One runs in to save life, the other to take it.
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Kautilya said:
Okay, so then there is no reason to consider Gazans as radicalized either. They are just normal people. Palestinians are not Hamas. Hamas are Palestinians. Because your statement that they are ALL radicalized automatically endorses genocide and collective punishment and other war crimes, because they are all terrorists right?. No. That is a dangerous slippery slope.

Also generally even with Hamas and ISIS and other terror groups, this whole "radicalization", "brainwashing" etc is a western narrative. We use our moral standards everywhere and think that anyone who deviates from it, has most likely radicalized or been brainwashed. But it is just a different culture and a political climate. Perhaps you'd do the same thing if you were in their position.
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yeah perhaps I'd be blowing innocent people up and taking hostages or support those who do and perhaps they would exterminate me as a vermin and perhaps I would not complain...not sure how this reasoning is helpful
 
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Frankfooter said:
See, no matter what I say you'll pull this trick and say 'no, it doesn't count because you didn't include the date'. Its idiotic, I'm not playing.
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What I'm asking of you is not a trick. The only one trying to play a trick is you. You think that you can trick everybody into pretending that you don't support the Oct. 7 attack. But you have and continue to do so by continually justifying it.

By excluding the date you are doing your typical song and dance of avoiding a direct answer to a simple question trying to establish if you are sincere in your assertions. Clearly you are not sincere and you are lying when you say that you condemn terrorism and violence against civilians. It is undeniable that there was violence against civilians on Oct. 7, yet you can't bring yourself to say condemn it.

Why is it that you can specifically refer to Al-Aqsa and condemn Israel but you cannot specifically refer to Oct. 7 and condemn Hamas?
 
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DinkleMouse said:
Plenty of Victoria Cross and Metal of Honour winners got their decorations for killing people. Your claim that we don't celebrate people unless they save lives is incorrect.

Lt John R. Fox, US Army, got a Medal of Honour for calling artillery on himself when he was surrounded killing himself and 100 enemy. That's no different than a suicide bomb.
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Soldiers. In uniform. So no, it isn't a suicide bomber in a cafe.
 
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Frankfooter said:
They bomb them in the north and in the south, at hospitals and on the roads they say are 'safe'.
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I guess it went over your head.

Israel is attacking much more in the north than the south.

The north is a more dangerous area.

The south is a less dangerous area.

Hence the south is safer than the north for Gazan civilians.

Israel warned them to go south since there would be LESS bombing, not NO bombing.

Yet Hamas did not want them to go to the south.

Is any of this registering with you frank or do you still not get it?
 
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Kautilya said:
Even if that is the case, which I don't believe it is anymore, Israel should cease fire. "Oops you are in the way!" is still a war crime.
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Using civilians as shields is a war crime and it precedes a bullet being fired or a bomb being dropped.

Hamas thought that doing that would help them be protected, because they are cowards. Israel is calling their bluff. Hamas is sacrificing their people at every turn. And the people of Gaza are coming to that realization.
 
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mandrill said:
'I stand by anything I say': City council candidate defends comments supporting child marriage, Holocaust (msn.com)


Nasr Hussain, who is one of six candidates running for three seats on the Hamtramck, Michigan city council, is doubling down on extreme comments he made online about child marriage, the Holocaust, and homosexuality.
According to the Detroit Metro Times, Hussain recently referred to the genocide of six million Jews during the Holocaust as "God's advance punishment" for the "savagery they're committing" against Palestinians in the ongoing Israel-Hamas war. Hussain then went on to compare Israel to Nazi Germany.


"A heinous act proving they're as savage and cruel as the Nazis themselves who tormented them, or maybe even worse," Hussain wrote.
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In a separate post to his Facebook page responding to an article about an adult man marrying a girl who has reached puberty, Hussain wrote in support of the act.
"She was betrothed at six, marriage consummated at nine after reaching puberty and giving her consent," Hussain wrote. “Women reach puberty between 8 and 12. If she was ok with it and her parents were ok with it why does it bother you."
And in another post about homosexuality, Hussain suggested LGBTQ+ Americans were "infected" and that the existence of homosexual Americans posed a danger to the country.
"If the majority of society becomes infected with homosexual then this society is gone," Hussain wrote.

Hussain refused to walk back any of his comments when the Metro Times contacted him. The publication said he refused a phone interview and replied to their interview request in writing.
Hussain called the Holocaust comments "a hypothetical and thought-generating question to make the Zionists think about what they’re doing to the innocent Palestinians hopefully making them think and ponder about the level of depravity they have reached."
The candidate also refused to apologize for his comments denigrating the LGBTQ+ community.
"Homosexuality leads to the destruction of societies therefore it should not be encouraged and should be prevented from spreading," he wrote.

And when asked about his post defending child marriage, Hussain stood by his comment, saying child marriage could lower abortion rates.

"If someone, whether a boy or a girl, under 18 is mature psychologically and physically, sexually active and expresses a desire to marry then they should be allowed to with the permission of their parents and court approval," Hussain told the Metro Times. "Thousands of teenagers under the age of 16 get pregnant all over the country becoming single mothers raising their children alone or resorting to the horrendous experience of abortion because society removed the option of getting married and raising the child in a loving, caring family."
"I stand by anything I say," Hussain said when asked if he had any regrets about his posts.
Hamtramck holds its next city council election on Tuesday, November 7.
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And yet you refuse to denounce hate speech from Israeli politicians.
Why?
 
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shack said:
I guess it went over your head.

Israel is attacking much more in the north than the south.

The north is a more dangerous area.

The south is a less dangerous area.

Hence the south is safer than the north for Gazan civilians.

Israel warned them to go south since there would be LESS bombing, not NO bombing.

Yet Hamas did not want them to go to the south.

Is any of this registering with you frank or do you still not get it?
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There are close to 10,000 dead, shack.
Israel is clearly not avoiding civilians.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1719319517036159150
 
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shack said:
Using civilians as shields is a war crime and it precedes a bullet being fired or a bomb being dropped.

Hamas thought that doing that would help them be protected, because they are cowards. Israel is calling their bluff. Hamas is sacrificing their people at every turn. And the people of Gaza are coming to that realization.
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How do you think this works, shack?
Do they march around with civilians at gunpoint?
Do you think Hamas has a tunnel underneath every single building destroyed?

Why would Hamas use human shields, Israel is bombing the shit out of Gaza regardless of what is there.

You push a really stupid argument to idiocy daily.
All to defend Jewish supremacy.

The red cross says there were no Hamas near the ambulances.
Your just justifying genocide.
 
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Frankfooter said:
How do you think this works, shack?
Do they march around with civilians at gunpoint?
Do you think Hamas has a tunnel underneath every single building destroyed?

Why would Hamas use human shields, Israel is bombing the shit out of Gaza regardless of what is there.

You push a really stupid argument to idiocy daily.
All to defend Jewish supremacy.

The red cross says there were no Hamas near the ambulances.
Your just justifying genocide.
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