Poilievre's Divisive Anti-Vaccine Policy Defeated

DinkleMouse

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Lol, says the guy that claims he just wants discourse.
That's exactly what I want. But you decided to gaslight and troll and namecall and so now when I refuse to engage with you, you play the victim and try to pretend you didn't act in bad faith.

It's very clear who the trolls are.

You your "Liberals are this" and "Liberals are that" and then "Man, Liberals are so divisive!" Reminds me of this interview Klepper did:


Don't like division? Don't be divisive. Seems pretty simple. Otherwise, yes, you need a mirror.
 

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Wow...tell me you're a disciple of the far Left without telling me you're a disciple of the far Left LOL!!!!
Do you still wear a mask too?
:ROFLMAO:
I know think that's an insult, but being "far left" of an antivaxer who doesn't understand basic science and thinks VAERS is a reliable reporting system doesn't bother me. I'm sure to you I am far left. People on the far left have called me a die-hard Conservative. None of that bothers me. But you go ahead and try if it makes you feel better. Ignore the CDC data that the vaccine reduced the things you said it caused to fling insults that no one finds insulting if you want to, but it's not going to convince anyone you're a reasonable person with a reasonable position speaking from an educated position.
 

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I know think that's an insult, but being "far left" of an antivaxer who doesn't understand basic science and thinks VAERS is a reliable reporting system doesn't bother me. I'm sure to you I am far left. People on the far left have called me a die-hard Conservative. None of that bothers me. But you go ahead and try if it makes you feel better. Ignore the CDC data that the vaccine reduced the things you said it caused to fling insults that no one finds insulting if you want to, but it's not going to convince anyone you're a reasonable person with a reasonable position speaking from an educated position.
You do realize CDC is completely captured by big pharma? Same as WHO.
If you've been educated by government propaganda and "studies" from Pfizer....that explains your position.
 

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You do realize CDC is completely captured by big pharma? Same as WHO.
If you've been educated by government propaganda and "studies" from Pfizer....that explains your position.
Ah yes. The global conspiracy card. "All the data is fake and all the science is fake but I know better despite having no training or qualifications because I listened to a few podcasts and read a few blogs." 👍 Congratulations. You've cracked the evil conspiracy.

The crazy thing is even the big Pharma that make the alternative treatments pushed by the crackpots who share your views and who don't have a vaccine or any other monetary reason to do it call out the nutjobs and say it's unsafe to use their stuff that way. Literally "big Pharma" saying "please don't give us money, it's not safe" but somehow there's a transnational big Pharma conspiracy that's gotten to everyone and every agency. 😂

There's a reason no one takes you seriously.
 

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That's exactly what I want. But you decided to gaslight and troll and namecall and so now when I refuse to engage with you, you play the victim and try to pretend you didn't act in bad faith.

It's very clear who the trolls are.

You your "Liberals are this" and "Liberals are that" and then "Man, Liberals are so divisive!" Reminds me of this interview Klepper did:


Don't like division? Don't be divisive. Seems pretty simple. Otherwise, yes, you need a mirror.
Like you said DM, you should look in the mirror. You constantly troll, and lead off with snide comments etc. it’s been that way pretty much since day one.and you know it, because how many times have I said “for someone that claims to just want discourse”

I don’t play the victim, if you think you get under my skin, you’re giving yourself way too much credit. I will call you on your bs though. See this thread, (see also your last comment to devious) the last one ( Israeli war ) one etc. Seems to me if anyone is whining and gas lighting it’s you, given you obviously don’t understand Newtons law.
 
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Like you said DM, you should look in the mirror. You constantly troll, and lead off with snide comments etc. it’s been that way pretty much since day one.and you know it, because how many times have I said “for someone that claims to just want discourse”
Yes. Because you're a gaslighting troll you keep bringing it up. But because you're a gaslighting troll I ignore it everytime you do.

I don’t play the victim,
😂

if you think you get under my skin, you’re giving yourself way too much credit.
More projection. That's what trolls do. I'm not trying to get under anyone's skin, just like I don't let trolls get under mine.

I will call you on your bs though. See this thread, (see also your last comment to devious)
You didn't call out anything about that post though. More gaslighting. Do you feel all important and righteous claiming to have done something you didn't do, or is there some other reason you love gaslighting?

the last one ( Israeli war ) one etc.
The one where, in response to someone claiming we don't celebrate people who kill but only those who save lives, I pointed out the heroic black US Army Lt John R. Fox who was awarded a Medal of Honour for calling artillery down on himself to kill 100 Germans, which is essentially a suicide bombing? That's gaslighting BS to you? I guess you dislike truth and facts even less than I thought.

Seems to me if anyone is whining and gas lighting it’s you, given you obviously don’t understand Newtons law.
Newton has several laws. I have no idea which one you're talking about, but since we aren't discussing kinematics, I'm pretty sure none of them apply.

Go ahead and make your smart reply trying to twist things. I'm new sure to not bother reading anymore of your posts this thread to save my the trouble.
 

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To put it succinctly DM you’re full of it, your shit does stink, and little but a cry baby when people fire back at you. “On ignore”..

it’s a rare day I start something. I don’t though mince words and do fire back.
 
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“Forced” vaccinations.
Personally, I tend to agree with those that were against it for certain federal/provincial employees. I highly doubt the majority that had the threat of termination hanging over their heads faced the public. Most likely could have worked from home, or reduced work week etc. whether say Federal paper pushers or teachers etc etc.
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But without catch phrases that rely on an emotional response, the anti-vaxers would be forced to rely on evidence.
 

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Of course many people in the work force were coerced - mandates are a nice way of saying “were gona blackmail you with your ability to earn a living”. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional and/or a tyrant.
Right. My boss is a tyrant because he forces me to complete my work, blackmailing me by refusing to pay if I don't show up.
 

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Interestingly, it's a subject of debate whether Covid shots lessened, or increased the amount of exposure to the public. ...
Okay then. o_O

The only way you can say is vaccinations increased the spread is only in comparison to a complete lockdown.

And vaccines absolutely reduced the spread by reducing the symptoms that facilitate spread and by shortening the time of contagion. But I'm sure you've got wonderful sources that say otherwise.
 

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You do realize CDC is completely captured by big pharma? Same as WHO.
If you've been educated by government propaganda and "studies" from Pfizer....that explains your position.
When your conspiracy theory is countered by evidence, just claim the evidence is part of the conspiracy.
 

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You do realize CDC is completely captured by big pharma? Same as WHO.
If you've been educated by government propaganda and "studies" from Pfizer....that explains your position.
Tell us where you got your proof that the CDC is captured by big Pharma? What propaganda do you follow with respect to the studies from Pfizer or Moderna?
 

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Who knows Bver. With respect to Trump I wasn’t around. Regardless the pendulum always swings and while JT can’t be faulted for Covid, he can be for a number of things. Not the least of which is throwing the less fortunate under the bus during and post Covid. And subsequent to that, isn’t it funny how A) his supporters are disparaged and B) forgotten……As well as Alberta, etc.
The Liberal Government was there to support the Canadians during the Pandemic. It was the Conservatives that tried to block this aid going to the most needy. So not getting younger, the fact is that Pee Pee will no doubt give the big tax breaks to the elitist few, while giving crumbs to the Middle and Lower incomes. Then they will take away all the benefits such as Affordable Childcare and Dental for the most needy. After all they moaned and groaned and did their very best to block such Bills from passing through Parliament!!
 

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The Liberal Government was there to support the Canadians during the Pandemic. It was the Conservatives that tried to block this aid going to the most needy. So not getting younger, the fact is that Pee Pee will no doubt give the big tax breaks to the elitist few, while giving crumbs to the Middle and Lower incomes. Then they will take away all the benefits such as Affordable Childcare and Dental for the most needy. After all they moaned and groaned and did their very best to block such Bills from passing through Parliament!!
With respect to their “support”. You call 2k/month for people that lost jobs and businesses support? For people they and “we” threw overboard support? While we collected paychecks in our PJs, watched our savings grow support? Personally I call that insulting. And just incase, I often often chuckle at Liberals that think I’m right wing. When clearly, I’m not.

Do you also call adding so much debt ( non Covid related) support?

Do you also call Canadas relative piss poor performance on many topics be it rising violent crime, Capital bleed, refugee/asylum crises support? I’m pretty sure on this last topic alone there’s a thread and people complaining about the cost to the 416..Do you call Canadas healthcare problems ( soon to get much much worse) or housing problems support?

Do you call Canadas debt to gdp, revenue per capita support? Do you call JTs train wreck ( a mirror image to McGuinty/Wynne) or his polling proof of that “support”?

Do you call the huge and alarming divides between East/West (specifically the gta), Rural/Urban, have and have nots ( the wealth gap which has grown faster than ever) see also food banks, home heating ( see his panicked freeze on Carbon taxes announced last week) support? As I’ve pointed out many times, “Liberals” talk good games about socioeconomic stuff but always throw people outside the gta and have nots under the bus.

With respect to dental care, and other social niceties. Do you just plan to make other people or your grandchildren pay. If so, it sure might help if Liberal supporters actually read various news on things that matter. Just because the “left” say it’s so, doesn’t make it so. And like Mike Harris after Rae, or Ford after McWynne, and now Pierre after JT.

You get the government you deserve.






 
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With respect to their “support”. You call 2k/month for people that lost jobs and businesses support? ...
You're sounding pretty damn socialist there. Don't conservatives typically consider it a bad thing when governments hand out tax money to the needy?
 

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With respect to their “support”. You call 2k/month for people that lost jobs and businesses support? For people they and “we” threw overboard support? While we collected paychecks in our PJs, watched our savings grow support? Personally I call that insulting. And just incase, I often often chuckle at Liberals that think I’m right wing. When clearly, I’m not.
Clearly you are a right winger!! The Conservatives did their best to block the various bills that were meant to support Canadians in need. Those who lost their jobs or were sick received the EI Benefits that were higher during the Covid Pandemic. You find it insulting and yet you complain when presently the Government dishes out other benefits such as the Childcare Benefits and Dental benefits for the low income individuals. Something opposed by the Conservatives.

Do you also call adding so much debt ( non Covid related) support?
Guess who has the lowest Debt to GDP ratio amongst the G7 Nations:

g7-government-net-debt-share-gdp

Do you also call Canadas relative piss poor performance on many topics be it rising violent crime, Capital bleed, refugee/asylum crises support? I’m pretty sure on this last topic alone there’s a thread and people complaining about the cost to the 416..Do you call Canadas healthcare problems ( soon to get much much worse) or housing problems support?
Healthcare is a Provincial issue. When The Ford government went chop, chop, chop, along with the other more conservative regions like Alberta and Saskatchewan, then why do you not point a finger at those provinces. The Federal Government did work with the provinces to offer extra financial help. Ford at first even seem to refuse the Childcare support until he realized what he was missing out since other Provinces more readily accepted it. Remember that Ford also cancelled the rent controls that resulted in a spike for rental properties.


Do you call Canadas debt to gdp, revenue per capita support? Do you call JTs train wreck ( a mirror image to McGuinty/Wynne) or his polling proof of that “support”?
Again, Canada's Debt to GDP is the lowest among G7 Nations as already proven in the link above. But look at a more detailed set of statistics and even the gross debt burden is lower than several of the G7 Nations:


Do you call the huge and alarming divides between East/West (specifically the gta), Rural/Urban, have and have nots ( the wealth gap which has grown faster than ever) see also food banks, home heating ( see his panicked freeze on Carbon taxes announced last week) support? As I’ve pointed out many times, “Liberals” talk good games about socioeconomic stuff but always throw people outside the gta and have nots under the bus.

With respect to dental care, and other social niceties. Do you just plan to make other people or your grandchildren pay. If so, it sure might help if Liberal supporters actually read various news on things that matter. Just because the “left” say it’s so, doesn’t make it so. And like Mike Harris after Rae, or Ford after McWynne, and now Pierre after JT.

You get the government you deserve.
Obviously, you wont give the Government credit for how it is rated in comparison to other G7 Nations that are undergoing even worse social and economic conditions than Canada, due to this age of Post Pandemic recovery that is exacerbated by the Russia / Ukraine war and now the uncertainty with the Israeli / Palestinian conflicts that may grow into a regional war. Of course you post the links that are negative to this extent, but fail to take into account the links that I posted. Canada's inflation rate is one of the lowest among the G7 Nations, and is down to 3.8%.....yes lower than what was forecasted. Compare that to 6.3% with a UK Conservative Government that is struggling with their Fiscal policies to get it under control. if you think that Pee Pee who talks the talk but will be trusted to walk the talk if he is elected, then you can vote to elect him and as I said before, all he will do will be to give the huge tax breaks to the elitist few and the crumbs to the middle and lower income Canadians. On the other hand, if Canada now has the lowest Debt to GDP among the G7 nations and the Gross debt burden is exaggerated by Pee Pee, and the rest of the alt right media, then I got the Government I deserved!!






Well the fact is that Canada's inflation rate is expected to drop quicker than even the USA. Yes Canadians are hurting as far as the mortgage rates are concerned. The reason is that in Canada the mortgage rates are just a maximum of a 5 year renewal period, unlike the USA where they can lock in their mortgages over a 30 year period and hence are not that impacted by a rise in interest rates. Hence the Americans have been able to spend more while the Canadians have to be more prudent with their spending. However, the American debt in the trillions is far more of an issue than that of Canada's debt!!
 
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Lmao. Yep, you’ve read me right. Not.

You’ve obviously never heard of equalization and transfer payments. I also doubt you grasp debt to gdp or why immigration is so important ( see link about our economy without) I’m so right wing….You can’t even get that right.

.So much more I could respond to, but will try to keep it short. I can likely demonstrate that just by linking back to a couple post above I’m sure you have read.Also find it funny how often people will compare us to other countries when defending him/them, as if getting ribbons for participating counts for something. Me, I worry about Canada.. I could also point at all the threads about the US or Trump.

With respect to your last paragraph, quite obviously you struggle with some notions. One of which is blowing your wad and thinking sunny days last forever ( read your last paragraph ). Typical liberal you strike me as the type that would blow your wad on SPs then cry when you don’t have the money, for this or that or life happens and sunny days not lasting forever slaps you in the face. See so many threads here too about housing, healthcare, public service ( I’m so right wing) and liberals that whine about Ford, not grasping cause and effect.

See also Rae and McWynne. See you living in denial too. And in an effort to bring it back to vaccines or lockdowns. See how you threw less fortunate people under the bus, while you collected paychecks in your PJs and the wealth gap. …..see also inflation, food banks, real estate, rates etc..”good job” ( you sound way more right wing than I do) , you’ve crushed those you claim to champion. Me I “fight” for them. Thread after thread after thread. Liberals here, not so much unless you count money growing on trees.

No doubt like many, you don’t think you should pay your way or help dig out of the hole you have dug. You want others to pay for your wants. See the train wreck in Ontario, see Liberal supporters ( the GTA) ignoring so many warnings for years, or simply the asylum crises.

I might also mention, the way “you” disparage Truckers or anyone else ( like all those less fortunates ) getting on Pierre’s train. There are reasons for it, one being there’s more to Canada than just the self absorbed GTA ( about the only place they still have support) you just can’t accept be that the division in Canada, or getting governments you deserve. I might also ask you to explain his sudden reversals on home heating carbon taxes, or bail…Don’t let reality get in the way of denial.
 
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