Poilievre's Divisive Anti-Vaccine Policy Defeated

[dvous11]

I honestly don't know where the notion that vaccines prevented infection and spread came from so I can't comment on that part.

Did you not see all the propaganda from the major news networks and big pharma claiming the “virus stops with a vaccinated person” or “you won’t get Covid if you take these vaccines”?
There is also no way to prove that someone didn’t die or become hospitalized due to the experimental injection if they contracted Covid.
All this is not on topic anyways.
Being forced to comply or lose your ability to pay for your life was my point.

 

[Skoob]

Did you not see all the propaganda from the major news networks and big pharma claiming the “virus stops with a vaccinated person” or “you won’t get Covid if you take these vaccines”?
There is also no way to prove that someone didn’t die or become hospitalized due to the experimental injection if they contracted Covid.
All this is not on topic anyways.
Being forced to comply or lose your ability to pay for your life was my point.

The better question is why someone would refuse to get vaccinated in the first place?
If it's driven from fear and skepticism then it still beckons the question why?

As far as initial reports by the media that it prevents transmission, there could be all kinds of reasons for that, but to be honest, if someone was fearful of getting it, that wouldn't have made a difference.
Proof of that is with how much is now known about how effective vaccines are, there are people who just use the "it doesn't prevent the spread" excuse to justify not getting it, but we all know that's not the real reason.

Stats don't lie. Vaccines help. If someone doesn't believe the stats, or the science, I'm not going to argue with them.

 

[dvous11]

The better question is why someone would refuse to get vaccinated in the first place?
If it's driven from fear and skepticism then it still beckons the question why?

As far as initial reports by the media that it prevents transmission, there could be all kinds of reasons for that, but to be honest, if someone was fearful of getting it, that wouldn't have made a difference.
Proof of that is with how much is now known about how effective vaccines are, there are people who just use the "it doesn't prevent the spread" excuse to justify not getting it, but we all know that's not the real reason.

Stats don't lie. Vaccines help. If someone doesn't believe the stats, or the science, I'm not going to argue with them.

We are specifically talking about the Covid experimental gene therapy injection that only took less than one year to push out to market without any long term safety testing.
That’s why anyone with half a brain was skeptical.
Now look at all the data of adverse reactions, myocarditis, pericarditis, and all cause mortality spiked after the launch of the injections. Many highly accredited and published professionals warned about this.
When the coercion was so over the top like the mayor of NY condescending to all saying look you can get these free French fries and a burger if you take the shot….or organizations offering free anything if you take the shot….how can anyone not clearly see they pushed it so hard trying to overpower skepticism.

 

[DinkleMouse]

We are specifically talking about the Covid experimental gene therapy injection

I don't think you know what many of those words mean because they don't apply.

that only took less than one year to push out to market without any long term safety testing.

That is one way to put "passed all the same trials and protocols as any other drug" I suppose.

That’s why anyone with half a brain was skeptical.

Sure. And then anyone with half a brain looked into it and saw it was safe and effective.

Now look at all the data of adverse reactions, myocarditis, pericarditis, and all cause mortality spiked after the launch of the injections.

When you mention "adverse reactions" followed by myocarditis and pericarditis and try to blame it on the vaccine, you do not look like you've "done your own research" very well.

Many highly accredited and published professionals warned about this.

But almost none of the ones who "warned" about this were virologist or immunologists. The small few that were were both vaccinated themselves and made a fortune on the talk show and podcast circuit.

When the coercion was so over the top like the mayor of NY condescending to all saying look you can get these free French fries and a burger if you take the shot….or organizations offering free anything if you take the shot….how can anyone not clearly see they pushed it so hard trying to overpower skepticism.

Yeah. How dare they try to overpower the fake news that you feel for in order to save lives! How evil of them!

 

[Frankfooter]

The key here is: It did not stop transmission or contraction. It's been proven. Pfizer themselves have admitted it. Even now the radio commercials promoting it give a verbal disclaimer at the end saying something to this effect. Many professionals were advocating this reality while the topic was hot, but the massive paid propaganda from big pharma was overwhelming and the brainwashed sheep wanted and needed a panacea solution to the 99.5% survivable respiratory virus.

Its amazing that people forget the first few months when the hospitals were overflowing and people were dying all over the place.
After isolation slowed that first wave the rest of the waves were manageable because people who got the vaccine didn't need to go to the hospital even if they got it.

 

[bver_hunter]

Ah yes, my side are saints and full of virtue. Only the right do this or that.

Many can and will argue JT, is the most divisive PM in history, and Liberals in general are too. And they wouldn’t be wrong. I can easily illustrate this by pointing to the West, carbon taxes and rural Canada. Or simply pointing at Pierre’s surging popularity…

So how much do you follow politics?

The fact is that there are still two more years before a general elections. Lots can change between now and then. Most G7 leaders are facing the same dilemma due to the global supply chains, issues with inflation and the wars in Ukraine and now Gaza. The Conservatives in the UK are much less popular then our Liberal Government and they enacted what Pee Pee is promising to do so. Pee Pee promises an arm and a leg, but never tells you how he will achieve it. Climate Change is something that Pee Pee will not address. Only the right wingers buy the "divisiveness" BS. When Pee Pee first complains about the lack of vaccines, and then marches with the Far Right FreeDumb Convoy who have numerous vaccine conspiracy theorists in their midst and then hold the citizens of Ottawa at ransom for weeks, he will be truly exposed when the actual election campaign begins!!

 

[Not getting younger]

The fact is that there are still two more years before a general elections. Lots can change between now and then. Most G7 leaders are facing the same dilemma due to the global supply chains, issues with inflation and the wars in Ukraine and now Gaza. The Conservatives in the UK are much less popular then our Liberal Government and they enacted what Pee Pee is promising to do so. Pee Pee promises an arm and a leg, but never tells you how he will achieve it. Climate Change is something that Pee Pee will not address. Only the right wingers buy the "divisiveness" BS. When Pee Pee first complains about the lack of vaccines, and then marches with the Far Right FreeDumb Convoy who have numerous vaccine conspiracy theorists in their midst and then hold the citizens of Ottawa at ransom for weeks, he will be truly exposed when the actual election campaign begins!!

Not sure what much of that has to do with the price of tea in China. Sure lots can change and likely will. There’s all kinds of global instability, an expected recession, and his policies are making a bad situation much worse, including inflation, not to mention China, or Boomers getting rolling and crushing healthcare expenses….

And the fact here in Canada, many Liberals are waking up, want a leadership change. And in the electorate it’s the same. None of that changes the fact he’s also the most divisive PM in history. Which is odd given he and his supporters are so woke.

 

[Not getting younger]

“Forced” vaccinations.
Personally, I tend to agree with those that were against it for certain federal/provincial employees. I highly doubt the majority that had the threat of termination hanging over their heads faced the public. Most likely could have worked from home, or reduced work week etc. whether say Federal paper pushers or teachers etc etc.

However a lot of the complaints came from essential services. Healthcare being one. Too bad, so sad. People in those roles ( me being one) put public safety ahead of their own. They also in the case of nurses, work with the sick, the gravely Ill, etc etc. the very people most likely to succumb to Covid. No problems here with it being “forced”.

On the flip side, while many of us, continued to work, get pay checks. In our PJs or at work. Many other were sacrificed by us, thrown overboard, we didn’t give two shits about them then, often disparage them, and the left can’t grasp why “peepee” is popular, despite being oh so liberal and supposedly enlightened, and still don’t give two shits about them…

Amazing how fast, the privileged have forgotten about them. Liberals talk good games, but rarely walk the talk.

They were the only people that weren’t given a choice. Many lost businesses, their jobs and income, and many more blew through their meagre savings trying to stay afloat…today those same people are…disparaged or forgotten about…are getting crushed by Carbon taxes, soaring home heating cost, high inflation and rates, etc etc. will likely never recover their savings etc etc. We are also so deeply in debt, we’ve fucked them there too. In fact, many privileged Liberals who watched their savings grow while others paid the prices, want more and more, but don’t think anyone but the rich should pay more in taxes.

And we, especially the left fucked them….and forgot about them….. See this thread, many other threads,……. or look around…especially outside the privileged gta.

 

[DinkleMouse]

The fact is that there are still two more years before a general elections. Lots can change between now and then. Most G7 leaders are facing the same dilemma due to the global supply chains, issues with inflation and the wars in Ukraine and now Gaza. The Conservatives in the UK are much less popular then our Liberal Government and they enacted what Pee Pee is promising to do so. Pee Pee promises an arm and a leg, but never tells you how he will achieve it. Climate Change is something that Pee Pee will not address. Only the right wingers buy the "divisiveness" BS. When Pee Pee first complains about the lack of vaccines, and then marches with the Far Right FreeDumb Convoy who have numerous vaccine conspiracy theorists in their midst and then hold the citizens of Ottawa at ransom for weeks, he will be truly exposed when the actual election campaign begins!!

There's a certain irony to his post, too. In half his posts here he makes some comment denigrating comment about "Liberals" even if it's not a political thread, but then accuses Trudeau of being divisive. Someone needs a mirror.

 

[Not getting younger]

There's a certain irony to his post, too. In half his posts here he makes some comment denigrating comment about "Liberals" even if it's not a political thread, but then accuses Trudeau of being divisive. Someone needs a mirror.

Lol, says the guy that claims he just wants discourse. But constantly trolls from the weeds and always starts off by making insulting, disparaging asinine comments such as this post. A typical liberal that doesn’t grasp cause and effect or Newtons law.

and with response to the post in question. Nor is he capable of reading Bver hunters post, which made it political, nor grasp why Peepee is popular or the relationship to the topic ( vaccines and lockdowns) . And that it’s him that should be looking in the mirror.

 

[Skoob]

We are specifically talking about the Covid experimental gene therapy injection that only took less than one year to push out to market without any long term safety testing.
That’s why anyone with half a brain was skeptical.
Now look at all the data of adverse reactions, myocarditis, pericarditis, and all cause mortality spiked after the launch of the injections. Many highly accredited and published professionals warned about this.
When the coercion was so over the top like the mayor of NY condescending to all saying look you can get these free French fries and a burger if you take the shot….or organizations offering free anything if you take the shot….how can anyone not clearly see they pushed it so hard trying to overpower skepticism.

MRNA research was not new. Over a decade of experience and had been used in cancer treatment since 2015. Add to that a global effort with significant funding. The bioplatform is and will continue to be used for rapid vaccine development and as time goes on vaccines will be available even faster. That's how science works.
VAERS is a database that anyone can contribute reports to and they are unverified with a disclaimer that the data should not be trusted. You or I can upload a report saying we could fly after getting the vaccine and it would be entered for anyone to see. This was used by people to argue that the vaccines were harmful.

If you believe that a secret society is plotting the world's doom by issuing a vaccine against a lethal virus then I'm not sure what to tell you. A lot of people are not good at self-policing when it comes to health. They go to work sick, don't wash their hands, don't cover their mouths when coughing, etc etc. What other solution would you have for helping to stop the spread if a percentage of people could just perpetuate it? Answer...you tell them to get vaccinated or stay home. Can you think of another solution?

There were cries of freedom ending for the world, etc...all the mandates were temporary and were always communicated as such. Now they're gone despite what some people believed was going to happen.

I do understand that a global pandemic never seen in our generation was a very scary thing. It's a human trait to make sense of things that are harmful and try to gain control through knowledge of "what's really happening". So I'm not insulting anyone who believes in conspiracies. I just try and explain it simply and logically.

 

[bver_hunter]

Not sure what much of that has to do with the price of tea in China. Sure lots can change and likely will. There’s all kinds of global instability, an expected recession, and his policies are making a bad situation much worse, including inflation, not to mention China, or Boomers getting rolling and crushing healthcare expenses….

And the fact here in Canada, many Liberals are waking up, want a leadership change. And in the electorate it’s the same. None of that changes the fact he’s also the most divisive PM in history. Which is odd given he and his supporters are so woke.

This "Woke" BS is a pure Trump like propaganda against anything that is left of him. No wonder that DeSantis and the rest of the alt right cronies have pushed it up North and the conservatives here seem to buy that logic!!

Right from the time that Trudeau was campaigning against Harper, the hatred for him was rife on this Board among the right wingers. All of them claimed that he will never be the PM.
But he has stayed as the PM ever since. Now he will have had a ten year tenure at the next elections, and normally Canadians want a change of leadership. With Pee Pee it will be like the frying pan into the fire. He is the one that constantly moans and groans with blaming everything on Trudeau. He is a very divisive individual, and that will be the case if he is elected. Now Canada's inflation is better that not only the USA, but most of the G7 Nations including a very Conservative UK Govt. So I do not buy any of that propaganda that his policies are making anything worse. Look at Doug Ford's Ontario Conservatives have quadrupled deficits to over $5.6 Billion. But the conservatives are okay with it in spite of his cuts in the Healthcare and Education sectors. Wonder where all that cash is going?

 

[Not getting younger]

Who knows Bver. With respect to Trump I wasn’t around. Regardless the pendulum always swings and while JT can’t be faulted for Covid, he can be for a number of things. Not the least of which is throwing the less fortunate under the bus during and post Covid. And subsequent to that, isn’t it funny how A) his supporters are disparaged and B) forgotten……As well as Alberta, etc.

 

[Insidious Von]

[QUOTE="Not getting younger, post: 8154927, member: 332148"…As well as Alberta, etc.[/QUOTE]

Alberta, please explain the logic underlying your conclusion? The Alberta Conservatives have never collected enough taxes and the Provincial debt is growing - I know, it's Ottawa's fault. Taxes are a necessary burden, the Norwegians were willing to pay them to get their Pension Fund off the ground. Now every Norwegian citizen is a millionaire. At the same time the Alberta Conservatives have squandered Alberta's treasure to the tune of $ 252 billion, the Alberta Sovereign Wealth Fund is actually older than the Norway model yet there's nothing left of it. So the Wildrose Party has decided to loot the CPP. Developing a pension plan is hard work, the Alberta Wildrose has neither the intellect nor the work ethic to get one started, they'll rifle through the CPP money and be bankrupt in less than a decade.

So my response to the Wildrose is Taunting Frenchman Type: No chance Wildrose bed wetting types.

 

[Frankfooter]

Who knows Bver. With respect to Trump I wasn’t around. Regardless the pendulum always swings and while JT can’t be faulted for Covid, he can be for a number of things. Not the least of which is throwing the less fortunate under the bus during and post Covid. And subsequent to that, isn’t it funny how A) his supporters are disparaged and B) forgotten……As well as Alberta, etc.

You have to be pretty naive to think that PeePee will take better care of the less fortunate.

 

[drewstar]

Of course many people in the work force were coerced - mandates are a nice way of saying “were gona blackmail you with your ability to earn a living”. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional and/or a tyrant.

 

[squeezer]

Of course many people in the work force were coerced - mandates are a nice way of saying “were gona blackmail you with your ability to earn a living”. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional and/or a tyrant.

Can't have a "do my own research" Yahoo among the normal common sense employees. They should stay home and keep their infections to themselves while applying for EI.

 

[Skoob]

Of course many people in the work force were coerced - mandates are a nice way of saying “were gona blackmail you with your ability to earn a living”. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional and/or a tyrant.

Which always goes back to why someone would not want to get vaccinated? (barring medical reasons)

 

[Dutch Oven]

Can't have a "do my own research" Yahoo among the normal common sense employees. They should stay home and keep their infections to themselves while applying for EI.

Interestingly, it's a subject of debate whether Covid shots lessened, or increased the amount of exposure to the public. Since the shots didn't prevent infection (they only claimed to lessen the severity of the symptoms) it seems obvious that many carriers of the virus went to work not even realizing that they had Covid, and many people contracted Covid from their co-workers, either not even realizing they had it, or not knowing where they might have contracted it from.

Unforunately for future public policy, this is a question that our governments don't want to know the answer to, so it is unlikely the truth will ever be known.

 

[dvous11]

I don't think you know what many of those words mean because they don't apply.



That is one way to put "passed all the same trials and protocols as any other drug" I suppose.



Sure. And then anyone with half a brain looked into it and saw it was safe and effective.



When you mention "adverse reactions" followed by myocarditis and pericarditis and try to blame it on the vaccine, you do not look like you've "done your own research" very well.

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But almost none of the ones who "warned" about this were virologist or immunologists. The small few that were were both vaccinated themselves and made a fortune on the talk show and podcast circuit.


Yeah. How dare they try to overpower the fake news that you feel for in order to save lives! How evil of them!

Wow...tell me you're a disciple of the far Left without telling me you're a disciple of the far Left LOL!!!!
Do you still wear a mask too?