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Will Israelis or Palestinians Win the PR War?

Leimonis

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The real solution is for Israel to give back land to the Palestinians, and give them complete sovereignty.
if they could give that land to Tibet monks they'd probably do it tomorrow.
How are they expected to trust that Arabs would not use it to better arm themselves and attack again?
 

Leimonis

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The attacking Arabs have all made peace with Israel which were namely the Arab nations around Israel. The current conflict is between a terror group and Israel. If Hamas is taken out, or fades away, and Palestinians also compromise, then peace is possible along with statehood.
I don't see it happening. What about falestin from river to sea? You have millions of radicalized people that fully believe that terrorism is a legitimate way to fight Jews and if they are given land it will only prove it. How is that going to fade away?
 
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toguy5252

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The attacking Arabs have all made peace with Israel which were namely the Arab nations around Israel. The current conflict is between a terror group and Israel. If Hamas is taken out, or fades away, and Palestinians also compromise, then peace is possible along with statehood.
you may wish to invest in an atlas.
 

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Millions are not radicalized. Infact radicalization is not a pre-requisite for terrorism. Terrorism can exist without radicalization.

Remember Hamas is also elected.
Back in 2007, was it? Have they held free and fair elections since then?

Why would they? They're doing righteous, holy work. Plus getting VERY rich off corruption.
Its not about religion per se either. It is about land, culture, politics, religion and Israel's oppression of those people all tied into one. It is a sectarian conflict for which Israelis are equally guilty and infact share many of the same attitudes with the Palestinians that you would consider terrorism. I posted some videos, here is one I will link. Give it a watch.

So remove the issues about land, politics, oppression etc., through compromise, then that is a first step towards peace. Otherwise the way they live today is horrible. I was thinking about it yesterday that we are all so lucky to not have our accident of birth in the West Bank or Gaza. Can you imagine being locked in a land that you cannot even leave? Its horrible. That sort of thing is a breeding ground for terrorism.
Why can't they leave?.... Because other Arab countries won't allow them to.

Here's the problem. For 2 decades, the only version of the truth that they have been allowed to hear is that given to them by HAMAS. Sure. Some Gazans just want to live in peace and are great, smart, friendly people. So were some Germans in 1938.

Want to bet that a large % of Gazans hate Israelis and want to exterminate them? Because that's the only truth they've ever been allowed to hear?

If you were an Israeli, would YOU want your family to live next to them?
 
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toguy5252

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Yeah but they won't attack Israel, as they haven't after their last try 75 years ago. And what is Urman?
sorry Yemen. Rockets have been coming into Israel for the last 2 weeks from Lebanon and their have been skirmishes with Syria an multiple rockets from Yemen have been intercepted, you can try and change history or geography butthe premise of your post was simply wrong.
 

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The attacking Arabs have all made peace with Israel which were namely the Arab nations around Israel. The current conflict is between a terror group and Israel. If Hamas is taken out, or fades away, and Palestinians also compromise, then peace is possible along with statehood.
Lebanon? Syria? Nope.
 

toguy5252

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Yes, now it is. Since the conflict has started again. But that is the purpose of making compromises and working on peace, for those things to not happen. The issues are not just from one side.
the point is that Israel is surrounded by adversaries. There are moments of quiet but the threat is always there. Israeli policy recently has not helped the situation and settlements and settler violence are definitely huge impediments but to Hamas and it Iranian master that is not the problem. The problem is the existence of Israel so unless that changes there can never be piece.
 
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Leimonis

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That is Bibi's problem with Palestine as well. Their existence. The current Likud government, which runs on a platform of "No Palestinian statehood", has the same thinking. Which many Israelis support. Which is why I unequivocally condemn both sides for this mess.
ultra right fuck everything up, and so do ultra left :(
 

toguy5252

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That is Bibi's problem with Palestine as well. Their existence. The current Likud government, which runs on a platform of "No Palestinian statehood", has the same thinking. Which many Israelis support. Which is why I unequivocally condemn both sides for this mess.
bibi is not good for any prop td for peace but driving the Palestinians into the sea is not the reason de etra for Israel. Israel has been trying to make peace for 70 years. The encroachment of the settlements has occurred because there has been no peace. The settlements are not the Palestinians fault but you cannot deny the connection. Israel in the past has said it would abandon many settlements as part of a peace deal but the apparent expectations by Palestinian leadership that they achieve 100% of their demands is a non starter as is the so-called right of return.
 

toguy5252

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I agree Palestinians have a no compromise position, which is my criticism of them as well. But they feel, rightfully, that they cannot compromise given the land encroachment and the enormous hardships put upon them by the Israeli govt. They ask - 'what is left to compromise?". Which is legitimate. Will Israel even be able to remove the 670K settlers in the West Bank? Very unlikely. So how will they compromise? They cannot. So Israel's position, although not explicitly stated, is still a "no compromise" position, the same as the Palestinians.
the no compromise mindset means there will never be peace. I don’t know the number but users moved all Israelis out of Gaza which was a ver risky political move but they did it. Israel has always said the would and on or give some but not all the settlements in the WB. That is the nature of negotiation and compromise.
 

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My point was that the public cherry picks issues to be concerned about. The Palestinians generate massive support. The Houthis and Eritreans are pretty much ignored. They rarely or never make the news and few people protest on their behalf.
True, but the US and Canadian governments also don't send billions in weapons to Houthis or Eritreans, nor do they declare them our closest allies.

Instead the MSM just buries the stories.

 

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I don't see it happening. What about falestin from river to sea? You have millions of radicalized people that fully believe that terrorism is a legitimate way to fight Jews and if they are given land it will only prove it. How is that going to fade away?
And now you've got millions of zionists who fully believe that they can use terrorism because Hamas did first.
How is that going to fade away?

 
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