Israel at war

shack

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Joe biden calls on Americans to unite behind Israel, Ukraine

Man the commander- in -chief in a career defining moment throws his full support behind Netanyahu .

This has to be a kick in the teeth to the leftists...LOL.
I clearly lean to the left and I wholeheartedly endorse his call and I hope he doubles down if there is waning domestic and international support in the coming weeks.

Orrie, why do you, and guys like darts, make such sweeping generalities of the left when you know that they are from from accurate. Some people are able to think for themselves and weigh each issue on their own merits.

If anything it's the righties who act as a block and position themselves according to ideology.
 
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Frankfooter

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So the next time that Basketcase reminds you that Hamas is on Canada's terrorist list you'll say:

"Yes. I Frankfooter, agree that proves that Hamas are terrorists."

frank, your hypocrisy and inconsistencies are truly astounding.
I'll once again point out that Kahane, Ben-Gvir's party, is also considered terrorists.
That Israeli settlers committed 233 terrorist attacks, that Israel is demolishing schools, bakeries, water supplies, hospitals and homes in Gaza, which is also terrorism.

Then I'll once again say both sides need to be taken to the Hague and the only way forward is to end the occupation and apartheid.

Its a stupid cycle, with you guys screaming 'terrorist' every 2 minutes to justify killing children.
Same thing that's been going on for decades.

From 2014.

 
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I clearly lean to the left
Nobody who leans to the left backs apartheid.




 

Butler1000

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Joe biden calls on Americans to unite behind Israel, Ukraine

Man the commander- in -chief in a career defining moment throws his full support behind Netanyahu .

This has to be a kick in the teeth to the leftists...LOL.
He asked for 100 billion.
 

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I clearly lean to the left and I wholeheartedly endorse his call and I hope he doubles down if there is waning domestic and international support in the coming weeks.

Orrie, why do you, and guys like darts, make such sweeping generalities of the left when you know that they are from from accurate. Some people are able to think for themselves and weigh each issue on their own merits.

If anything it's the righties who act as a block and position themselves according to ideology.
I don't know one progressive that is backing Israel......
 
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I'll once again point out that Kahane, Ben-Gvir's party, is also considered terrorists.
ALSO meaning that not only Kahane but that Hamas is also considered terrorist. You have just conceded that point and your supposed moral high ground.

Don't you just hate terrorists.

frank, dealing with you is like shooting a fish in a barrel. It is just too easy.
 

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Who will win, the G.d of Avraham or the God of Ibrahim I asked her as I watched my creampie ooze from her mahogany slit this week.?

And as she moved her head side to side perpendicular to the sagittal plane she answered that I should ask Vishnu where upon I replied

he would most certainly say that the Maccabees shall win win win!!!!
 

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Wait. You've claimed Hamas unguided rockets are actually self defence. You've claimed that targeting of Jewish civilians in the West Bank is okay because in your words, you can't tell them apart.

The groups you pretend to support have been clear those are war crimes but you keep on claiming they're okay.
Where have I claimed this?
 

Valcazar

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I'm stating that Hamas hasn't give a choice. So under those specific circumstances, where your enemy leaves no choice for your own survival, then they are justified.

Because the war crime imo isn't in the destruction, its in the placement that creates the situation. Hamas does it on purpose, they WANT civilian casualties. They prefer martyrs to mouths to feed. That's who they are.

So yes the tactical question matters, because unless you can give another option, you are promoting Hamas's tactics as humane.
No.
You said that it is impossible to commit war crimes against Hamas. (They aren't a signatory of the Geneva Conventions.)
You have since doubled down on it.

Your first line here is that war crimes are justified.

We aren't talking about whether or not there are civilian casualties.
Civilian casualties happen in war. That isn't a war crime in and of itself.

We are talking about you saying you are perfectly fine with war crimes.
 

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No.
You said that it is impossible to commit war crimes against Hamas. (They aren't a signatory of the Geneva Conventions.)
You have since doubled down on it.

Your first line here is that war crimes are justified.

We aren't talking about whether or not there are civilian casualties.
Civilian casualties happen in war. That isn't a war crime in and of itself.

We are talking about you saying you are perfectly fine with war crimes.
Bacause of their actions. Hamas makes it impossible to fight them.

Beyond that I'm a realist. Name a war declared and fought with no civilian casualties with an urban parrmt to it. By any nation. And please remember that many of the civilians are support staff. Complicit in assisting. So staying to help. This is beyond the majority being told and even forced to stay.

Are you really that myopic, naive and privileged to not see all this? I'm "fine war crimes" because Hamas gave no choice. And find the concept of a "clean" war laughable. It's like that Star Trek episode where its all fought on computers and the citizens march off into suicide booths. You think that's possible? Or better yet just let em fight it out on OverWatch or Call of Duty?

Hamas WANTS this. They want Martyrs. They want destroyed hospitals. To derail peace.

And considering the very real lack of actual action response by various actors in the ME they get that. They have to pay lip service for the Arab in the Streets. But they are just as likely in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other places, including Iran who is Shiite and the Palestinians Sunni, not really not give a shit if they die either.

Such is life there.
 
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Bacause of their actions. Hamas makes it impossible to fight them.
Untrue. A two state solution eradicates Hamas.

Hamas plays a key role for Israel and it is the reason why Bibi and others have supported them.

The constant death and WAR CRIMES fuel further actions by groups like Hamas and create more future foot soldiers.

This is a lot less complicated than vested interests are making it.

The tit for tat bloodshed is not seeing the forest for the trees. Proper leadership could solve all of this within 48 hours, rather than 75 years and counting.
 
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Untrue. A two state solution eradicates Hamas.

Hamas plays a key role for Israel and it is the reason why Bibi and others have supported them.

The constant death and WAR CRIMES fuel further actions by groups like Hamas and create more future foot soldiers.

This is a lot less complicated than vested interests are making it.

The tit for tat bloodshed is not seeing the forest for the trees. Proper leadership could solve all of this within 48 hours, rather than 75 years and counting.
No it doesn't. Hamas wants all Jews dead and driven out. Period. You are expecting Western values here. They place their religion first, even before life. And they won't accept defeat. They will wait a thousand years if they have to.

You are right, any REASONABLE persons could get this done. That doesn't exist here.
 

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So labeling all Pro Palestinians as terrorist and blaming it on a bug is the new agenda on social media. Like I said main stream media is one sided and full of non-sense with this whole war.

https://www.rt.com/news/585417-instagram-palestinian-bio-terrorists/

Meta announced last week that it had removed almost 800,000 “disturbing” posts related to the Israel-Hamas war, including images of graphic violence and posts glorifying or supporting Hamas. However, some Instagram users complained that legitimate pro-Palestinian content was being demoted or “shadow-banned” by the platform’s algorithm.
 
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