Does anyone believe that Al-Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by the HAMAs?

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This is the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn here. Every recognized intelligence agency agrees as well.

However the anti Israel pro terrorist supporters will continue with their campaign of deflection and misinformation.
They have nothing to hang on to. After their heroes ham ass butchered 1300 Israeli children, women seniors etc, and with most of the world outraged, they were hoping that the hospital tragedy would redeem them . But they failed and no they look even worst for lying.
 

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Very likely that it was Hamas' mortar strikes although there are certain discrepancies that need to be ironed out first:

Investigations reveal discrepancies in Israel’s Gaza hospital attack claims
As Israel bombards Gaza, media organisations and researchers are investigating what happened at the al-Ahli Arab Hospital where officials say hundreds were killed.

Asked my buddy to read this article especially the part about the direction of impact due to the crater.
He said, and I quote "Their fucked in the head, they gotta get out of their fuckin office and go to a war zone"
He explained to me that once the war head makes contact, it explodes sending shrapnel and a blast wave out.
When it impacts on an angle, especially on hard surfaces, most of that blast is directed forward due to the body of the rocket blocking most of the explosive effect from going to the rear of the rocket.
When the warhead explodes the rest of the rocket continues embeding itself into the ground at the impact point creating a crater and will throw dirt to the rear of the hole towards the entry point and what ever material is above will be loosened up and will hump up or fall into the hole depending on the density of the material.
He said kind of like putting powder in an envelope and blowing into it, the powder blows back out the path of least resistance.
Here is the picture of the crater again for reference.
 

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Can you provide this third party analysis?
I checked the one you posted and it says nothing about an artillery shell and agrees with my friends assesment of the impact direction based on the blast damage.
The thread was on twitter, this is their site but they don't have the Al Ahli attack listed there yet.

Here's the full thread, you have to scroll down to read their entire post.
 

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This is the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn here. Every recognized intelligence agency agrees as well.

However the anti Israel pro terrorist supporters will continue with their campaign of deflection and misinformation.
No, that's a totally unreasonable conclusion based on the fact that they've bombed 7 other hospitals, making them unusable and today the news is mostly about Israel warning Palestinians they are going to bomb the Al Quds hospital, which is filled with refugees.


 

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Asked my buddy to read this article especially the part about the direction of impact due to the crater.
He said, and I quote "Their fucked in the head, they gotta get out of their fuckin office and go to a war zone"
He explained to me that once the war head makes contact, it explodes sending shrapnel and a blast wave out.
When it impacts on an angle, especially on hard surfaces, most of that blast is directed forward due to the body of the rocket blocking most of the explosive effect from going to the rear of the rocket.
When the warhead explodes the rest of the rocket continues embeding itself into the ground at the impact point creating a crater and will throw dirt to the rear of the hole towards the entry point and what ever material is above will be loosened up and will hump up or fall into the hole depending on the density of the material.
He said kind of like putting powder in an envelope and blowing into it, the powder blows back out the path of least resistance.
Here is the picture of the crater again for reference.
What, so now your buddy thinks it was an artillery shell but it came from a totally different direction? Channel 4 also says they think it came from the north/northeast.

If Israel didn't do it why did they post faked video twice and faked audio once?

You're still discounting the multiple witness accounts that say the hospital was hit with two warning shots and the IDF warned them.

Really, it sounds pretty impossible to tell what happened accurately from the available video and audio itself. It just seems wiser to weigh the evidence against the patterns by both. Israel claims 30% of Palestinian rockets fail yet there is not much evidence that damage from this happens regularly. IDF aren't worth considering, since they have a history of false reports and have changed their story multiple times.

You weight this against the other 7 hospitals Israel has destroyed and the ones being threatened right now and its clear that Israel does target hospitals.

This might be worth a read
 
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I love how Hamas and Islamic Jihad supporters double down after they are conclusively proven wrong. All evidence shows that this was an errant rocket fired from the Gaza Strip that hit the hospital car park.
 

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They have nothing to hang on to. After their heroes ham ass butchered 1300 Israeli children, women seniors etc, and with most of the world outraged, they were hoping that the hospital tragedy would redeem them . But they failed and no they look even worst for lying.
Regrettably the jew haters really do not care about the truth. death is their currency and they exploit the dead on both sides for their objectives.
 

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I love how Hamas and Islamic Jihad supporters double down after they are conclusively proven wrong. All evidence shows that this was an errant rocket fired from the Gaza Strip that hit the hospital car park.
I love how Israeli supporters cheered the hospital bombing when they thought it was Israel then bought every IDF story as it came out, heard about 7 other hospitals getting bombed and still think Israel wouldn't do it.

But hey, you back genocide and you have to be able sleep somehow....

 

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Here is something to consider when explaining the warnings to hospitals and the hospital parking lot explosion in question.

Hamas is using hospital property, ie parking lots, to launch rocket attacks while using Palestinians, hospital personnel and patients as human shields.

Could be an IDF strike on the hospital parking lot, but not the hospital building itself, where Hamas was launching rockets.

The lower load of the strike seems to coincide with this scenario.

Wonder how many Hamas terrorists were killed in that strike, which conveniently is omitted from the casualty figures offered up.
 

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Not one single Israeli cheered a hospital being destroyed by anyone. You are completely delusional and keep doubling down on the lies.

I love how Israeli supporters cheered the hospital bombing when they thought it was Israel then bought every IDF story as it came out, heard about 7 other hospitals getting bombed and still think Israel wouldn't do it.

But hey, you back genocide and you have to be able sleep somehow....

 

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Not one single Israeli cheered a hospital being destroyed by anyone. You are completely delusional and keep doubling down on the lies.
Here you go.

I already said targeting a hospital is not terrorism because Hamas hides in them. So I won't just not denounce it, I will say it is the right thing to do and I trust the IDF's judgement.

Apartheid is Israel's RESPONSE to bloodshed, terrorist attacks and Oslo.
The occupation is Israel's RESPONSE to 1967 and OSLO and BLOODSHED breaking peace twice
Bombing Gaza is Israel's RESPONSE to a brutal planned TERRORIST ATTACK that thankfully wasn’t as successful as planned
Genocide is Israel's choice, its HAMAS and others goal too.
Deal with it Frank.

Um. Not seeing war crimes here.

Varmin that need to be exterminated. Period.
 

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Here is something to consider when explaining the warnings to hospitals and the hospital parking lot explosion in question.

Hamas is using hospital property, ie parking lots, to launch rocket attacks while using Palestinians, hospital personnel and patients as human shields.

Could be an IDF strike on the hospital parking lot, but not the hospital building itself, where Hamas was launching rockets.

The lower load of the strike seems to coincide with this scenario.

Wonder how many Hamas terrorists were killed in that strike, which conveniently is omitted from the casualty figures offered up.
No, there is no evidence of this. Hospitals are the one place that Palestinians have been fleeing to for safety.
What this statement means is that you do not accept that there are any civilians in Gaza, that you will accept everything the IDF tells you and that you will consciously support genocide.
 

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Asked my buddy to read this article especially the part about the direction of impact due to the crater.
He said, and I quote "Their fucked in the head, they gotta get out of their fuckin office and go to a war zone"
He explained to me that once the war head makes contact, it explodes sending shrapnel and a blast wave out.
When it impacts on an angle, especially on hard surfaces, most of that blast is directed forward due to the body of the rocket blocking most of the explosive effect from going to the rear of the rocket.
When the warhead explodes the rest of the rocket continues embeding itself into the ground at the impact point creating a crater and will throw dirt to the rear of the hole towards the entry point and what ever material is above will be loosened up and will hump up or fall into the hole depending on the density of the material.
He said kind of like putting powder in an envelope and blowing into it, the powder blows back out the path of least resistance.
Here is the picture of the crater again for reference.
I am a “never say never” person. So can’t discount any possibility. But I do play the odds and percentages.

Something else I’ve noticed. Maybe it’s something, maybe it’s nothing. I noticed it when I first read this article. The entire area for lack of better words seems “sanitized”…especially if “500” people were killed by the shock wave, or debris…I also noticed that blue can. In one picture, but none others.

When I see the crater, and lack of “area of effect”….I think, just how small was the explosive device….? Back packs filled with explosives, pressure cookers…do as much. Throw litter and debree, all around…Not saying it’s a back pack…but just how small was the explosive charge. And the area looks to me like it’s been swept.
 
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I am a “never say never” person. So can’t discount any possibility. But I do play the odds and percentages.

Something else I’ve noticed. Maybe it’s something, maybe it’s nothing. I noticed it when I first read this article. The entire area for lack of better words seems “sanitized”…especially if “500” people were killed by the shock wave, or debris…I also noticed that blue can. In one picture, but none others.
The odds are that the side that bombed 7 other hospitals and threatened 22 others, faked video and faked audio and 70% of their victims are women, children and elderly, deliberately also targeted the Al Ahli Hospital.

Personally, I think anyone that is justifying this kind of action is a monster. Theories are that Israel is now using chemical weapons.

80 percent of Gaza burns victims are children, but no dressings available: Doctor
In his latest update on the shortage of medical supplies in Gaza, surgeon Ghassan Abu Sitta says medical workers have run out of burns dressings.
“We have more than 70 wounded with burns covering more than 40 percent of their body surface. 80 percent are children,” Abu Sitta said on X.
 
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The odds are that the side that bombed 7 other hospitals and threatened 22 others, faked video and faked audio and 70% of their victims are women, children and elderly, deliberately also targeted the Al Ahli Hospital.

Personally, I think anyone that is justifying this kind of action is a monster. Theories are that Israel is now using chemical weapons.

80 percent of Gaza burns victims are children, but no dressings available: Doctor
In his latest update on the shortage of medical supplies in Gaza, surgeon Ghassan Abu Sitta says medical workers have run out of burns dressings.
“We have more than 70 wounded with burns covering more than 40 percent of their body surface. 80 percent are children,” Abu Sitta said on X.
Hamas should have known this would happen and made safe guards and preparations for their beloved citizens before they launched their attack. Seems like a careless lack of planning on their part, at best.
 
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No, there is no evidence of this. Hospitals are the one place that Palestinians have been fleeing to for safety.
What this statement means is that you do not accept that there are any civilians in Gaza, that you will accept everything the IDF tells you and that you will consciously support genocide.
IDF has admitted as much.

Hamas uses hostages, the civilians of Gaza, hospital property, staff, patients as human and humanitarian shields.

As explained, the circumstances of the strike, precise blast location/area and the prior warnings to hospitals bear this out.

It is wholly conceivable and probable and most likely.
 
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IDF has admitted as much.

Hamas uses hostages, the civilians of Gaza, hospital property, staff, patients as human and humanitarian shields.

As explained, the circumstances of the strike, precise blast location/area and the prior warnings to hospitals bear this out.

It is wholly conceivable and probable and most likely.
Palestinian real estate agents should recognize it as a tip off when prospective buyers called Mohammed ask " Is it near to schools, play grounds, hospitals and nurseries?"
 

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Same old Frank.
Palestinian real estate agents should recognize it as a tip off when prospective buyers called Mohammed ask " Is it near to schools, play grounds, hospitals and nurseries?"
Let’s also, completely ignore that most/all terrorist groups in that area of the world do it.

Unlike actual freedom fighters.
 
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