Reverie

Israel at war

shapeup1

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What is this? The Real Housewives of TERB?
I don't know Dan, you tell us, for the longest time you asked for empathy for the kids and now that they're butchering Jew kids your empathy disappeared. Where's your empathy? And who's Yousef Munayyer? 😂 Try to find a more reliable link, that's ridiculous.
 

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I don't know Dan, you tell us, for the longest time you asked for empathy for the kids and now that they're butchering Jew kids your empathy disappeared. Where's your empathy? And who's Yousef Munayyer? 😂 Try to find a more reliable link, that's ridiculous.
Other ways Hamas enforces Islamic law in Gaza. Gazans can't be happy of living under Islamic Hamas when they lived many years under more secular Palestinian authority. They can't even rebel, they get killed.


Hamas "Morality" Cops Enforce Islamic Law

Under Hamas' strict interpretation of Islamic law, a woman should not go out in public with men who are not related to her .

An attempt by Hamas police to detain a young woman walking with a man along the Gaza beach has raised alarms that the Islamic militant group is seeking to match its political control of the coastal territory with a strict enforcement of Islamic law.

The man she walked with and two of his peers were detained, beaten and ordered to sign statements promising not to engage in immoral activities, said the woman and one of the men.

The incident was the first known case of Hamas openly trying to punish a woman for behaving in a way it views as un-Islamic since seizing power two years ago. But it follows months of quiet pressure on Gaza's overwhelmingly conservative 1.4 million residents to abide by its strict religious mores.

Hamas officials in Gaza have publicly urged shopkeepers to take down foreign advertisements showing the shape of women's bodies and to stash away lingerie often displayed in windows. Officials search electronic shops to check if they are selling pornography on tiny flash drives.

"There's an open, public program to preserve public morals in Gaza," said local rights activist Isam Younis. "In reality that means trying to restrict freedoms."

Hamas denies any crackdown is under way. Since taking power, it has said it would only try to lead by example and not impose its views on anyone.

However, the group has taken no public action against small, shadowy groups that have attacked perceived hotbeds of Western immorality, such as hairdressers and Internet cafes, fueling criticism that it has not been tough enough on hard-line Muslim groups.

Freelance journalist Asma al-Ghoul says a group of Hamas police sent a clear message that certain behavior would not be tolerated when she went to the beach one evening in late June.

Al-Ghoul, 26, said she was spending time with a group of friends - two women and three men - on the northern Gaza shore.

Al-Ghoul is fairly exceptional in Gaza because she does not wear a Muslim headscarf. On that evening she wore jeans and a T-shirt - dress that is considered fairly provocative in Gaza's conservative society and which could have easily attracted the attention of the plain-clothed Hamas vice police who patrol the beaches.

Al-Ghoul swam, fully dressed, with a girlfriend, and then asked a male friend to walk her over to a nearby beach house rented by another couple she knew to shower and change.

Three policemen showed up and waited for al-Ghoul in the beach house garden, said an eyewitness who asked to remain anonymous because of security concerns. They took her identity card and demanded she accompany them to a nearby station - an order she refused.

An argument ensued and she was able to avoid detention and get her identity card back only after the homeowner contacted a senior Hamas official who intervened and spoke to the officers by telephone. The official, Taher Nunu, was not immediately available for comment.

The eyewitness said the police did not say why they wanted to detain al-Ghoul, but were insinuating that her behavior was unbecoming. Under Hamas' strict interpretation of Islamic law, a woman should not go out in public with men who are not related to her.

2009? You need to get out of your basement.
 

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This was a few years ago but I understand its still current.

Hamas shaves heads of long-haired Gaza youths
Islamist rulers crack down on behavior deemed inappropriate; rights groups outraged

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Police in Hamas-ruled Gaza have started grabbing young men with long or gel-styled spiky hair off the streets, bundling them into jeeps, mocking them and shaving their heads, two of those targeted and a rights group said Sunday.

It is the latest sign that the Islamic militants are imposing their strict practices on the population.

Hamas has been slowly forcing its fundamentalist interpretation of the religion on already conservative Gaza since it overran the territory in 2007, but the new crackdown on long hair and tight or low-waist pants — in several cases accompanied by beatings — appears to be one of the most aggressive phases of the campaign so far.

The crackdown began last week, and two of those targeted told The Associated Press said they were rounded up in separate sweeps in Gaza City that included more than two dozen young men.

2013. Still in your basement.
 

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2009? You need to get out of your basement.
2013. Still in your basement.
Considering what they're doing and that Palestinians were not been able to vote a government, do you have any evidence that it has changed? They're a Islamic dictatorship, nothing has changed and you support them because you hate the Jews more than you hate Islamic terrorists and your posts support that.
 

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Considering what they're doing and that Palestinians were not been able to vote a government, do you have any evidence that it has changed? They're a Islamic dictatorship, nothing has changed and you support them because you hate the Jews more than you hate Islamic terrorists and your posts support that.
Do I have evidence that it has changed? Give your head a shake….thats on you. This is your assertion. The fact that you had to rely on news stories a decade and older should answer your question.

Palestinians have not been able to vote since the day they were militarily occupied by Israel. Israel occupies them without their consent.
If you believe in democracy, you’d call for an election where Palestinians vote on whether they want to be occupied. But we both know you don’t really care about democracy.

 
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Do I have evidence that it has changed? Give your head a shake….thats on you. This is your assertion. The fact that you had to rely on news stories a decade and older should answer your question.

Palestinians have not been able to vote since the day they were militarily occupied by Israel. Israel occupies them without their consent.
If you believe in democracy, you’d call for an election where Palestinians vote on whether they want to be occupied. But we both know you don’t really care about democracy.
Well as they don't consider themselves citizens of Israel and in fact voted in a parallel government I think at best you can call this a civil war, with Hamas in the role of traitors/seperatists. Basically they are the South in USA terms. Thats generous btw I consider them fanatical cultists to a medievil warlord, atkin to Charles Manson.

At least the outcome is going to be the same for them.
 

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Not blaming the victims but can someone explain:

1) Why was that music festival held so close to the border (only 3 miles)?

2) Why didn't they have armed guards?
 

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My prediction how the current crisis will end:

Israel will invade northern Gaza and carry out a mission of trying to kill as many members of Hamas as possible, plus free hostages.

At some point, before very long, and after much loss of life on both sides and property destruction, Israel's allies, mainly the USA, will say "enough", and force Israel to retreat, or possibly negotiate a cease-fire, as has been done in the past.

Hamas will remain in power in Gaza for the foreseeable future

Netanyahu will remain in power in Israel for several years at least, with the Israelis seeing him as a war-time leader even after the active fighting has ceased.

If Hamas attacks again Israel will be better prepared, with swifter retaliation.

After the current hostilities settle down, hopefully the US can get the Saudis and other parties back to the table in an effort to actually begin a process that will lead to a mutually acceptable and peaceful 2-state solution, but that won't happen any time soon.
 

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Leftist David Pakman calls Hamas a terrorist organization and his followers are pissed off,lol.

Personally I like Pakman's content. He gives those with opposing points of view a platform for respectful debate.
 
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My prediction how the current crisis will end:

Israel will invade northern Gaza and carry out a mission of trying to kill as many members of Hamas as possible, plus free hostages.

At some point, before very long, and after much loss of life on both sides and property destruction, Israel's allies, mainly the USA, will say "enough", and force Israel to retreat, or possibly negotiate a cease-fire, as has been done in the past.

Hamas will remain in power in Gaza for the foreseeable future

Netanyahu will remain in power in Israel for several years at least, with the Israelis seeing him as a war-time leader even after the active fighting has ceased.

If Hamas attacks again Israel will be better prepared, with swifter retaliation.

After the current hostilities settle down, hopefully the US can get the Saudis and other parties back to the table in an effort to actually begin a process that will lead to a mutually acceptable and peaceful 2-state solution, but that won't happen any time soon.
Israel won't invade Gaza, they've been holding off because of massive storms and flood. And now Biden says no. If Netanyahu does invade it'll be a massive catastrophe for all involved, with tens of thousands of deaths and will hasten the decline of Israel's standing.

Israel has already killed more Palestinians than they did in 2014 and most of the bodies have yet to be recovered or counted in Gaza. The pro Palestinian protests this round have been much faster and much bigger. BLM backs PLM and nobody backs apartheid.

44% of US dems already say Israel is apartheid. Biden can't hold the party if he doesn't start doing something positive on this issue.

Netanyahu will lead an ever more extremist government who will enable more and more settler terrorism. Abbas will do nothing and nobody will notice or care. Hamas' support will likely be split between those that back them and those that are sick of the bombs. But they also know nobody else stands up for them.

8 days no food, no water, no electricity. When the power goes back on the photos and videos will come out.

Will things change?
The pro Israeli crowd lost all moral ground. Here on this board they've been backing genocide. You, thankfully, haven't.
Hamas will have lost support but I expect not as much as Israel.
So Israel slips two steps further down the BDS, anti apartheid road.
The question is how much longer can wester politicians afford to back apartheid when it goes genocidal.
 

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As I have repeatedly said - yes I back killing terrorists. Whatever be their nationality. And yeah Al-Jazeera the anti-western, anti-Indian and anti-Israeli publication will say all kinds of nonsense if it suits them.
So when 800 settelers stormed the Al Aqas mosque, would you say it would be ok to kill all of them?
 

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Someone here explained that they did not storm anything and that it was apparently allowed per the law. I am yet to find that post. So I dont think any resulting violence falls under the terrorism category. However, there were other settler violences that have resulted in needless deaths. Those are definitely terrorist attacks and yes, I support putting one right between the eyes for those assholes too.

I think this seem farily impartial https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...al-aqsa-mosque-complex-on-fifth-day-of-sukkot
 

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Yeah and the US has 2 aircraft carrier groups in the region, which I am sure the Hezbollah give 4 hoots about.
I don't think those will be effective against Hezbollah. Even Israel uses stand off missiles when they attack Hezbollah in Syria
 
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Someone here explained that they did not storm anything and that it was apparently allowed per the law. I am yet to find that post. So I dont think any resulting violence falls under the terrorism category. However, there were other settler violences that have resulted in needless deaths. Those are definitely terrorist attacks and yes, I support putting one right between the eyes for those assholes too.
Huwara is a better example.
I assume you'd support assassinating the 100's of terrorist settlers who attacked the village?
(I wouldn't, take them to the Hague as well)
 
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