Israel at war

[shack]

I blocked frankie the Jew hater a long time ago and accordingly although I do not know, nor do I care what he says I can imagine. The haters and the usual gang trying to justify the barbarous attack all try and divert from the real point.

Lets say that the attack was justified on some theory, which i think is ludicrous, but lets just say.. Does anything justify targeting civilian population centers? Isreal unlike Hamas does not embed their weapons in civilian buildings and their soldiers wear uniforms. Does anything justify the barbarous attack on civilians and the rampaging atrocities. Killing old people, children and taking civilian hostages etc. Does anything that Israel has ever done or is alleged to have done somehow justify that. The enemy of Hamas is not just Israel but Jews. This was an attack on Jews for being Jews. The apologists are dsipccable and should all rot in hell.

Well, said.

And as I've explained in other posts, the so-called justifications by frank, knowing full well that there will be reprisals, means that he fully endorses whatever atrocities come down on Gazans. They were 100% predictable. (He cowardly refused to answer me when I asked him if he felt there would be reprisals or if Israel would just placidly stand by and do nothing. He knew the answer but was too chicken for fear of implicating himself.)

His hate for Jews dwarfs any semblance of concern he has for Gazans. Frank: "Let them all die as long as we can kill some Jews".

He is getting attacked from all sides here in regards to this conflict and as bad of a reputation that he previously had, it has been compounded manyfold. Every time he opens his mouth and spews his hate he makes it worse for himself. I wonder if he spews his hate in the real world to friends, family, work colleagues etc. or just on a board where he's shielded by anonymity. Are his convictions strong enough to let everyone in his life know that he supports the Hamas attack and abductions of civilians and the death and suffering of innocent Gazans?

Actually, there would be a lot less rancour here if he voluntarily (or not) stopped his hate speech. But that's another topic.

In the meantime he's getting hammered from pillar to post as he proves to more and more people what he really is. What's the saying? "If somebody shows you who they really are, believe them."

 

[Frankfooter]

The entities that deny Israel's right to exist?

"From the river to the sea". Did you ever hear that one frank?

Now there is a root cause.

Israel already wiped Palestine off the map.
So you accuse Palestinians of aspiring to do what you have already done and cheer for.

You are no better than Hamas and now actually worse. You accuse Palestinians of wanting genocide while actively cheering for Gaza to be bombed to ruins, and all food, water and electricity to be withheld.

There is a path towards peace.
The international community must demand both sides ceasefire and then address the root causes.
The occupation and apartheid.

Time to campaign for equal rights for all living under Israeli rule.

 

[shack]

Detailing the causes of this round of decades and decades of violence is not 'justifying an attack', shack.

100% it is. By saying it's the cause of the attack means that you say Hamas has a valid reason for attacking.

Providing a valid reason is providing justification. More of your doublespeak properly interpreted.

 

[Frankfooter]

"If somebody shows you who they really are, believe them."

Yes.

I look at it not necessarily as a war crime. It is simply war. Bad shit happens to innocent people during wars. And stuff like this has been going on for thousands of years and has been used hundreds of times.

It's a modern day version of a siege. Surround and isolate the city. Cut the city off from the rest of civilization. It's an old tactic.

I call for both sides to deescalate, ceasefire.
I call for both sides to be investigated for war crimes and targeting civilians.
I call for addressing the root causes, the occupation and apartheid.

You call for bad shit to happen to innocent people.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712102268630417762

 

[shack]

You are as dumb as a stump, Sad Shack.

That has to be one of the lamest retorts I've heard in a long time.

I compose arguments with logic. All you can do is hurl insults and post propaganda. You never have anything relevant of your own to say.

Now who is the dumb one Little Buddy?

 

[Frankfooter]

100% it is. By saying it's the cause of the attack means that you say Hamas has a valid reason for attacking.

Providing a valid reason is providing justification. More of your doublespeak properly interpreted.

That's part of your racism, shack, your support of apartheid and refusal to admit Palestinians have basic rights.
Why do you think Palestinians don't have the same right to self defence as Israelis?
Racism.

That is why you are here posting your support for 'bad shit happening to innocent people'.

 

[shack]

Yes.

Hey frank. Take a look around you. You are hated by 99% of the people here. Aside from you're Little Buddy, who's pretty much useless, there's nobody who supports your hate. Dozens have called you out for your blatant anti-Semitism and lies. There's nobody who supports the death and suffering of Gazans like you do.

You've shown us who you are, once again.

Seriously, dude. TAKE. A. LOOK. AROUND. YOU.

 

[xmontrealer]

That's part of your racism, shack, your support of apartheid and refusal to admit Palestinians have basic rights.
Why do you think Palestinians don't have the same right to self defence as Israelis?
Racism.

That is why you are here posting your support for 'bad shit happening to innocent people'.

Hey Frankfooter. I am an Ashkenazi Jew, born in Canada. My great-grandparents came to Canada from Ukraine in 1895.

I'm not an observant Jew, and not a fervent Zionist, but I do see why the State of Israel was created after The Holocaust, and do believe that it must always protect itself from those who would try to destroy it and make the Middle East "judenfrei".

Maybe you have divulged it before, but if so I missed it. What is your race, religion, ancestry, and where were you born? Just for perspective....

 

[richaceg]

The difference is you claim one side wants it while you enable the other side to actually do it.

Do you support the elimination of Israel? That's what Hamas Covenant states...

 

[shack]

That's part of your racism, shack,

All can say is

 

[shack]

That is why you are here posting your support for 'bad shit happening to innocent people'.

You're a big fat liar (not exactly breaking news). I was stating a FACT about what happens during war. There was no support of anything. Prove my statement was incorrect.

Did you believe that Israel would retaliate militarily or just stand by? Don't be chickenshit again. Which did you believe?

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712120118296125875

 

[mitchell76]

Ontario MPP faces calls to step aside over Hamas-Israel conflict comments | Globalnews.ca

Ontario NDP MPP Sarah Jama has been ordered by her party leader to retract a statement she published on the conflict between Israel and Hamas.

globalnews.ca

 

[Frankfooter]

Hey Frankfooter. I am a Jew, born in Canada. My great-grandparents came to Canada from Ukraine in 1895.

I'm not observant, and not a fervent Zionist, but I do see why the State of Israel was created after The Holocaust, and do believe that it must always protect itself from those who would try to destroy it and make the Middle East "judenfrei".

Maybe you have divulged it before, but if so I missed it. What is your race, religion, ancestry, and where were you born? Just for perspective....

Hey xmontrealer. I don't give out personal info on this board.

I understand why the state of Israel was created but think it was faulty logic. The Holocaust is perhaps the most horrific crime against humanity ever, along with the indigenous genocide in North America. The mandate of Palestine had a history of peaceful multicultural coexistence, as did quite a few of the surrounding countries, there was a great read I about an 'Arab Jew', someone who's family was part of the Iraqi Jewish community. I agree that the Jewish people needed protection after WWII but building ethno states out of multicultural states wasn't the way to do it.

If you're Jewish, you should also understand that Toronto has a long history of left wing Jews, from the Christie Pits riot to this day at places like Camp Navelt. I'm friends with that community as I'm also friends with Palestinians and some other Arab communities. Toronto works in a way few places does as a multicultural city. That community does not support zionism and are trying to find a way forward to peace. And not through trying to drive either people into the sea or by using military force to subjugate the other side. That's why I argue for deescalation and the end of apartheid.

But if you support Israel's actions, can you say where you think its going and how you think peace can be achieved?
Non of the Israeli supporters here can.
What is the endgame?

 

[Frankfooter]

Do you support the elimination of Israel? That's what Hamas Covenant states...

No, I don't and neither does Hamas.
The Hamas 1988 charter says they want all of Palestine but that if the Palestinian people wanted to settle for a two state solution they'd go along.

I just support the end of apartheid and equal rights for all living there, whatever you want to call it.
Are you against equal rights?

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712041793187897521

 

[Frankfooter]

All can say is

You just admitted that you think Palestinians don't have the basic human right to self defence against an illegal occupation and that you think only the Jewish people deserve the right to self defence.

And you think you're making a good case?

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712088255703793902

 

[richaceg]

Hey xmontrealer. I don't give out personal info on this board.

I understand why the state of Israel was created but think it was faulty logic. The Holocaust is perhaps the most horrific crime against humanity ever, along with the indigenous genocide in North America. The mandate of Palestine had a history of peaceful multicultural coexistence, as did quite a few of the surrounding countries, there was a great read I about an 'Arab Jew', someone who's family was part of the Iraqi Jewish community. I agree that the Jewish people needed protection after WWII but building ethno states out of multicultural states wasn't the way to do it.

If you're Jewish, you should also understand that Toronto has a long history of left wing Jews, from the Christie Pits riot to this day at places like Camp Navelt. I'm friends with that community as I'm also friends with Palestinians and some other Arab communities. Toronto works in a way few places does as a multicultural city. That community does not support zionism and are trying to find a way forward to peace. And not through trying to drive either people into the sea or by using military force to subjugate the other side. That's why I argue for deescalation and the end of apartheid.

But if you support Israel's actions, can you say where you think its going and how you think peace can be achieved?
Non of the Israeli supporters here can.
What is the endgame?

The endgame was miticulously designed by Hamas....They know fully well the answer to their actions and planned well to inflict as much damage as they can...they wouldn't want citizens of Gaza to evacuate as that's part of their "protection"... Israel knows fully well without cutting electricity and water, residents will not leave and will continue to be the shields for Hamas...
Do you support Hamas actions? You know fully well what endgame they want...

 

[Frankfooter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712088255703793902

You wouldn't want someone to point out that doing this is wrong.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712102268630417762