Israel at war

Frankfooter

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Keep on proving you have no interest in equal rights with you pretence that all of Israel is really Palestine.
Please state where the borders of Palestine lie.
Show your work on a map.

Then explain why you think Israel should keep ruling that land through apartheid.
 

latinboy

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You said if Trump was president this wouldn't have happened, so not sure why you say you did not bring Trump up. Also, I am neutral. My own personal opinion is that both Israelis and Palestinians have done wrong towards each other. I infact stated as much in an earlier post.
You need to get ahold of yourself.

My FIRST post was about BIDEN. I was trolled about Trump and replied. Step away from the keyboard and get some fresh air.
 

basketcase

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There are plenty of Jews who don't support apartheid and Jewish terrorism as well.
You're just not one of them.
Unlike you, I oppose all terrorism.

Why is it that you've made hundreds of posts since Hamas' invasion without even hinting at their choice being bad? is it because no one invited you to a Thanksgiving meal?
 
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In 2014 Israel bombed civilians and killed 2000.
I'm sure you'll cheer when they kill more this time.
And there will still not be peace.
You are the one who seems to be cheering the killing of civilians. This whole time I've been advocating for the international community pushing all sides towards a negotiated peace while you've been justifying the use of violence by Palestinians.
 

mandrill

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No, Egypt won't take 2.5 million refugees.
There are already 5 million Palestinian refugees around Israel.

What you propose is ethnic cleansing.
Removing Palestinians from Palestine.
No. I'm proposing a last resort solution because nothing else is going to work.
 

Frankfooter

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I know you think Arabs are too far beneath you to make choices but Hamas chose to launch an attack, intentionally murdering hundreds of civilians and kidnapping children and the elderly. Every time you try to blame Israel for Hamas' terrorism just shows how racist you are.
The leader of Hamas's military wing, Mohammed Deif, said the assault was in response to the 16-year blockade of Gaza and a series of recent incidents, including more settlements in occupied West Bank, Israeli settler violence and further displacement of Palestinians, that have brought Israeli-Palestinian tensions to a fever pitch.

The blockade, settler terrorism and the occupation of Palestine are the causes.
Not Hamas.
 

mandrill

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Please state where the borders of Palestine lie.
Show your work on a map.

Then explain why you think Israel should keep ruling that land through apartheid.
Because they already are de facto doing just that and that's not going to change and it's been 60 years.
 

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basketcase

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I didn't notice that the CBC radio news listed the deaths on isreal side With no mention of the retaliation. It makes the it's really sound like angels.
You must be listening to different news than me because the deaths reported by Hamas have been all over the news. Israel has been pretty upfront with the civilian vs military deaths but based on past history, the Palestinian numbers are unlikely to make that distinction.
 
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basketcase

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Too bad none of their Arab brothers got room anywhere over there for Palestinians to have their own homeland. Thusly relieving the pressure and conflict with Israel......oh right.....
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Like in 1949 when Egypt and Jordan stole the Palestinian side of Partition? Shh. The Jew haters don't like talking about that.
 

mandrill

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No, Mandrill, that's as close to hate speech as I've heard from you on this board and it runs very much counter to even the pro Israeli crowd. They repeatedly used to us 'Israeli Arabs', or Palestinians living inside the Israeli side of the borders as an example of equality. Its not, the reports say its still apartheid, but even so, what it does show is that those 'Israeli Arabs can live more or less peacefully with the Jewish population.

Israeli apartheid is in three levels, from the lower level of inside the green line, to Jerusalem and to the worse situation in the West Bank with separate roads, laws, infrastructure and rights to the Gaza strip, which is perhaps the most inhumane and largest prison on the planet.

What those three levels should show a moderate is that if you give Palestinians basic human rights, or even just enough that they can live their lives, you won't get war. Hamas' public statements have been about a 75 year occupation, settler attacks and no peace. Not about genocide.

If you let Gaza free they will visit their occupied homes, visit family in the west bank, try to find jobs to combat the 47% unemployment, try to get clean water in a place where 90% is undrinkable, travel out of the country if they can and try to live their lives. Hamas would lose their power if they weren't needed.

Israel kills way more people than Hamas but you don't call them genocidal, even after Bibi said he will keep all food and water from reaching Gaza.

Gaza is part of what used to be Palestine. Now its the one state Israeli apartheid state.
The fight now should be for equal rights.
Hamas seems pretty murderous to me. You know that they will rampage if they get through the fence. They did it 2 days ago.
 
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Frankfooter

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Because they already are de facto doing just that and that's not going to change and it's been 60 years.
Exactly.

The one state, apartheid solution is in place.
The two state solution is dead.

That leaves a South African like campaign to end apartheid as the only viable, non-violent path forward.

 

basketcase

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True background info from La Corriere Della Serra and The BBC confirm this, Gazans were earning a living in Israel. It's the West Bank that was under attack, the raid on Jenin is probably the tipping point.
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Even more West Bank Palestinians travel daily into Israel (and I'll bet they currently are despite the conflict with Hamas). You might want to check you info.
 

basketcase

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Exactly.

The one state, apartheid solution is in place.
The two state solution is dead.

That leaves a South African like campaign to end apartheid as the only viable, non-violent path forward.

When did Mandela launch an invasion that butchered hundreds of civilians or kidnap dozens of old ladies and children?
 
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Frankfooter

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Hamas seems pretty murderous to me. You know that they will rampage if they get through the fence. They did it 2 days ago.
Israel gives them no other option.

In 2018 the people of Gaza protested at the borders.
Israel used snipers and shot them.
The protesters came back the next friday and Israel shot them.
They came back the next Friday and Israel shot them.
This went on for a full year.

 

basketcase

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They had a perfectly lovely homeland before Zionists got permission to colonize it.
Are you saying that their rule by the Ottoman Empire was a lovely homeland? That makes me wonder why so many Arab groups fought to dismantle it.
 

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No, Mandrill, that's as close to hate speech as I've heard from you on this board and it runs very much counter to even the pro Israeli crowd. They repeatedly used to us 'Israeli Arabs', or Palestinians living inside the Israeli side of the borders as an example of equality. Its not, the reports say its still apartheid
Israeli Arabs have as much rights as Jewish citizens of Israel except they don't get drafted in the army.

Can you imagine what an advantage it is for your career not to waste 3 years of your youth in the army? I say they got a pretty sweet deal.
 
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