Sweden's refugee problem

[dirtyharry555]

They were warned and mocked those who warned them. They called them racists. Not unlike those who warn naïve Canadians about what happens when you overload a nation with half a million immigrants annually.

Now they're in for generations of suffering.

 

[Darts]

Reality catches up with the Swedes.

 

[mandrill]

There is that small detail of refugees being a tiny minority of immigrants to Canada and the majority of immigrants (like over 95%) that come to Canada are admitted based on their qualifications, or as students.

Don't confuse them with facts.

Immigrants into Canada are carefully screened for English / French language ability, academic qualifications and work skills. They assimilate readily. Only a small % of entrants into Canada are refugees and even those are often well qualified.

This is Harry's new podium - Immigrants will destroy Canada.

 

[John_Jacob]

r\ohnoconsequences.

Instead of using Canada's approach (Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS)) Sweden decided to allow any and all immigration & refugees during the 2015 crisis. For those that have been following, this is NOT NEW (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden, https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/anti-semitism-in-malmö-reveals-flaws-in-swedish-immigration-system-1.3080484 ) and has been fomenting for the last five+ years. A natural outcome of tossing out pragmatism and listening to the extremist "But We Care" approach.

Much like how Germany's & Merkel immigration/refugee approach was one of many reasons for the rise of the AfD, we'll no doubt see the rise of more "ardent" political parties in Sweden that are more keen to 'find a solution'.


A news release on the same issue.

Swedish PM summons army, police chiefs as gang violence rocks nation

Sweden's prime minister summoned the head of the armed forces and the police commissioner in a bid to stem gang violence, he said on Thursday, following a wave of violence that has taken at least 11 lives in September alone.

www.reuters.com

Kristersson formed a centre-right minority government after last year's election with support of the populist and anti-immigrant Sweden Democrats, ending eight years of Social Democrat-led governments in Sweden
"It is an irresponsible immigration policy and a failed integration that has brought us here," Kristersson said.
"This is not Sweden, this is not how Sweden is supposed to be," Social Democrat leader Magdalena Andersson told a news conference.

We'll see if we have a similar impact in Canada. I doubt it given the sources of our immigration India – 27%, China - 7.2% (2022 data) and of course our magical point system. Hopefully with the result of the Conestoga College fiasco in KW (where I suspect the point system was thrown out the window), we'll see more Chinese immigration to provide more 'diversity'.

However, to meet Canada's immigration targets, it's clear that we're accepting much more 'less qualified' candidates compared to 2020 with marginally fewer 451-500 point system candidates and marginally more 351-400 candidates. Nothing to get too excited about since it could be just SNR but I'm curious where this will go...


source; https://www.cicnews.com/2023/09/can...eport-on-express-entry-0939675.html#gs.5s5eza



I mean, the only way to meet this magical "100 million by 2100" is for Canada to be an immigration whore or to use the more more polite phrase, "a decline in entry standards".

Century Initiative

The Century Initiative is focused on responsibly and thoughtfully growing the population of Canada to 100 million by 2100.

www.centuryinitiative.ca

Maximum Canada by Doug Saunders: 9780735273108 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books

To face the future, Canada needs more Canadians. But why and how many? Canada’s population has always grown slowly, when it has grown at all. That wasn’t by accident. For centuries...

www.penguinrandomhouse.com

 

[dirtyharry555]

There is that small detail of refugees being a tiny minority of immigrants to Canada and the majority of immigrants (like over 95%) that come to Canada are admitted based on their qualifications, or as students.

Ethnocentrism and culture trump academics and qualifications.

You know this all too well. I recall your TERB celebration of India's Mission to the Moon. You're not tied to the land and Canada's people. Your citizenship is just a ticket to opportunity. Your grandstanding about Canadian values are a collage of cliches memorized to get inside the gates. You don't see yourself as Canadian at all. You see yourself as an Indian residing in Canada able to take advantage of Canadian prosperity.

Enjoy today's version of Canada. It won't last long and it won't get any better.

 

[mandrill]

Ethnocentrism and culture trump academics and qualifications.

You know this all too well. I recall your TERB celebration of India's Mission to the Moon. You're not tied to the land and Canada's people. Your citizenship is just a ticket to opportunity. Your grandstanding about Canadian values are a collage of cliches memorized to get inside the gates. You don't see yourself as Canadian at all. You see yourself as an Indian residing in Canada able to take advantage of Canadian prosperity.

Enjoy today's version of Canada. It won't last long and it won't get any better.

Dude, virtually everyone on this board is a first or second generation immigrant. That's the nature of Canada, especially Southern Ontario.

You want to go somewhere where the same families have lived for 200 years, go live in West Virginia in hillbilly country.

 

[mandrill]

Ethnocentrism and culture trump academics and qualifications.

Actually, it doesn't. The point system prioritizes qualifications and abilities and is blind to ethnicity.

 

[mandrill]

r\ohnoconsequences.

Instead of using Canada's approach (Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS)) Sweden decided to allow any and all immigration & refugees during the 2015 crisis. For those that have been following, this is NOT NEW (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden, https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/anti-semitism-in-malmö-reveals-flaws-in-swedish-immigration-system-1.3080484 ) and has been fomenting for the last five+ years. A natural outcome of tossing out pragmatism and listening to the extremist "But We Care" approach.

Much like how Germany's & Merkel immigration/refugee approach was one of many reasons for the rise of the AfD, we'll no doubt see the rise of more "ardent" political parties in Sweden that are more keen to 'find a solution'.


A news release on the same issue.

Swedish PM summons army, police chiefs as gang violence rocks nation

Sweden's prime minister summoned the head of the armed forces and the police commissioner in a bid to stem gang violence, he said on Thursday, following a wave of violence that has taken at least 11 lives in September alone.

www.reuters.com

Kristersson formed a centre-right minority government after last year's election with support of the populist and anti-immigrant Sweden Democrats, ending eight years of Social Democrat-led governments in Sweden
"It is an irresponsible immigration policy and a failed integration that has brought us here," Kristersson said.
"This is not Sweden, this is not how Sweden is supposed to be," Social Democrat leader Magdalena Andersson told a news conference.

We'll see if we have a similar impact in Canada. I doubt it given the sources of our immigration India – 27%, China - 7.2% (2022 data) and of course our magical point system. Hopefully with the result of the Conestoga College fiasco in KW (where I suspect the point system was thrown out the window), we'll see more Chinese immigration to provide more 'diversity'.

However, to meet Canada's immigration targets, it's clear that we're accepting much more 'less qualified' candidates compared to 2020 with marginally fewer 451-500 point system candidates and marginally more 351-400 candidates. Nothing to get too excited about since it could be just SNR but I'm curious where this will go...


source; https://www.cicnews.com/2023/09/can...eport-on-express-entry-0939675.html#gs.5s5eza
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I mean, the only way to meet this magical "100 million by 2100" is for Canada to be an immigration whore or to use the more more polite phrase, "a decline in entry standards".

Century Initiative

The Century Initiative is focused on responsibly and thoughtfully growing the population of Canada to 100 million by 2100.

www.centuryinitiative.ca

Maximum Canada by Doug Saunders: 9780735273108 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books

To face the future, Canada needs more Canadians. But why and how many? Canada’s population has always grown slowly, when it has grown at all. That wasn’t by accident. For centuries...

www.penguinrandomhouse.com

Except lowering the average score on the point system doesn't necessarily undercut the idea of immigration by ability if there was always a safety margin built in to the system - i.e. the previous admissibility standards were so exceptionally high that they could be reduced somewhat without admitting poor quality entrants.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Actually, it doesn't. The point system prioritizes qualifications and abilities and is blind to ethnicity.

You missed the point entirely.

The system is blind to ethnicity because it has no way to measure it... but the individuals coming in are not blind to it. It is foremost to them.

 

[Darts]

Some people don't know the difference between legal immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers,
illegal immigrants, etc.

Obviously, some people do care who we let in to Canada. If nobody cares who comes in then why the uproar over someone who was a member of the Waffen SS in WW2?

 

[bazokajoe]

Some people don't know the difference between legal immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers,
illegal immigrants, etc.

Obviously, some people do care who we let in to Canada. If nobody cares who comes in then why the uproar over someone who was a member of the Waffen SS in WW2?

As far as I am concerned, if you didn't apply from your native country and be approved to come here then you are an illegal immigrant.
You don't show up on someone's door step unannounced and expect to be let in.

 

[bazokajoe]

You can show up at a border post and claim asylum and they will determine if the case needs to be heard.

and they still let you in while they decide , right?
So basically an illegal

 

[bazokajoe]

Not sure what they do. But if is going through the legal system, then it is not illegal. Illegality is defined by the law, and as long as the law allows a person in whatever status to come in, that is not illegal.

Illegal would be to overstay your visa or to come in undocumented and remaining undocumented.

So you have no answer to my question.

 

[bazokajoe]

I directly answered your question. To be clear, no they are not illegal. The law allows for it and therefore, they are not illegal.

I asked if they are allowed to stay here while the government decides on the case. You said " Not sure what they do".
Then came up with some gibberish guess work.

 

[DesRicardo]

It's all about who's in power and the policies being made.

This is why right-wing parties are sweeping across Europe now. The left allowed every wanderer that showed up at their door step.

 

[bazokajoe]

I am not an immigration official, so am not sure what the exact process is.

Unless you are slow, my answer was sufficient.

If the law allows for those people to stay here without paperwork while the government decides on the case, then it is not illegal. It is perfectly legal.

Is that clear enough or do you need it said in sign language too?

Was not sufficient and you know that.
I can read some sign language, so yeah maybe that would help.
You do realize that when people were crossing Roxam road they were arrested as soon as they crossed. If it's legal why did they get arrested?

 

[Not getting younger]

I directly answered your question. To be clear, no they are not illegal. The law allows for it and therefore, they are not illegal.

So, what happens then when you announce to the world. Find your way to our border and we will take you. Consequences and cost be damned. The city of Toronto gets jammed with a 150 million dollar bill.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Enjoy today's version of Canada. It won't last long and it won't get any better. - Oh it will last long. Infact this will be the norm. And it is already better than it was in the past!.

 

[John_Jacob]

Except lowering the average score on the point system doesn't necessarily undercut the idea of immigration by ability if there was always a safety margin built in to the system - i.e. the previous admissibility standards were so exceptionally high that they could be reduced somewhat without admitting poor quality entrants.

That's a BIG if. Doubt it for the 'safety margin'. A better argument would be lower scores are still quite sufficient and/or are higher than the average Canadian (but too lazy to look that up..may/may not be true).

 

[Not getting younger]

Those are immigration targets that can be reviewed. Only 90K applications are filed each year as of now which makes for a tiny fraction of all immigrants. There is also research and data that indicate that refugees are a net positive over time

Unless I’ve misread you.
No that’s the cost to the 416 alone for JT telling the world. Come.

No new money for asylum seekers in Toronto after Chow meets with federal Immigration Minister

Mayor Olivia Chow is urging the federal government to pick up the tab needed to cover costs incurred by several Toronto churches while caring for asylum seekers.

beta.cp24.com