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shack

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Texas lost and Houston is down 5-3 to KC after 5. KC just left the bases loaded.
 

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They actually executed the 5 year plan pretty well. (that fifth year being 2021). AA left them with a bad team moving forward (old + declining + capped by a budget with a meh farm system. The problem is year 6 and year 7 have not been good at all - arguably brutal in 2023 - treadmilling and actually stepping back from 2021.

That 2021 team was guite good - 91 win team with a 99 win projection based on run differential (based on pyth win differential).

They also were rated by many as a top 5/top 7 farm systems in baseball in early 2021 - 8 players were in the various top 100 prospects list early that year - Kirk, Manoah, Austin Martin, O Martinez, Moreno, Groshans, Nate Pearson, Simeon Woods Richardson. They traded 3 of them later on for Berrios, Varsho, Kirk+Manoah were once quite good. Pearson never made it. This isn't an excuse - their development or regression is partly on mgmt. The trading of prospects is fine for good talent (Berrios for example) but the Varsho deal was poorly calculated.
Now their system is nowhere near the level of where it was two years ago due to prospect regression, trades, a few weaker drafts.

Things have not gone well since the end of 2021.
Poor calculation on Chapman instead of Semien (even if it seemed sound at the time)
Manoah implosion, Kirk Regression -- be it development, or not being able to manage healthier habits for their players.
Guerrero regression (Hitting Coach?)
Poor use of assets in the Moreno trade / bad Varsho trade)
Questionable managers and replacements
Atkins not finding role players


Anyway, I think Atkins has to go, and Schneider and the vitting coach.

I think the one point that is a big plus for Shapiro is that he was finally able to convince Rogers to spend money on the team -- if he still has his ear in that regard I am fine with keeping him.

I don't think the argument to get rid of Shapiro + Atkins at end of 2021 made much sense. It is now quite strong at least for Atkins in 2023.
You sound like Trudeau.
It's alphabet soup.
Let me explain it to you so a 5 year old child can understand it.
A 5 year plan means you win the WS in 5 years.
It's been 7. They aren't close.
Everybody said it's because we are in same division as NY and BOS.
Well here we are. Year 7 and where is NY and BOS?
Fire them yesterday!

It's important to fire Shapiro. Just like it's important to fire Shanahan. If you don't, nothing changes.
They will hire some other moron to be GM or coach.
They are responsible for Atkins and Dubas. Both are complete morons who went ahead and hired inexperienced coach's.

You tell your fans you are building a Ferrari and then hire Grandma Walton to manage and coach it.
 
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You sound like a total moron who doesn't know how to read.
And one that instead of reacting to a logical response that was totally not insulting, jumps to insult. Who is the child ... seriously who acts like this and then calls the other person a child?

If you actually think a 5 year plan means you win the World Series I don't know what to tell you. I also said they have went off track in the last few years.

How much of a douchebag can you be?

Wow, this is really easy posting. I love insulting people without actually saying jothing. I'm so smart, Just like you. Look I'm even gonna use terrilbe grammer just so I can be lioke you. Your famiuly must be so proud!!!

Congrats for making my ignore list dumbass.
You are the idiot my friend.
Yes a 5 year plan means exactly that, what else would it mean?

Oh in 5 years I'll screw the girl next door?
In 5 years, I will get a job? Move out of my mom's basement?
Oh maybe it was in 5 years I can suck Vlady's cock?

Or maybe it means in 7 years some Blue Jay fanboy on a hooker review board will defend me like his life depends on it for no known good reason.

I'm guessing you also bought into "sunny ways".
Keep believing!
 

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Woo-Hoo!!!!! We're back in the playoffs. We beat Boston, then Seattle, Houston, and Texas ALL lost.
P.S. Watch out for the Yankees. They are 6 games behind and have won 3 in a row. We play them 6 more times.
 
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Woo-Hoo!!!!! We're back in the playoffs. We beat Boston, then Seattle, Houston, and Texas ALL lost.
P.S. Watch out for the Yankees. They are 6 games behind and have won 3 in a row. We play them 6 more times.

…..after injury, Aaron Judge has 32 home runs and 63 RBIs in 330 AB’s. Like holy shit, that’s another 60 home runs in a full season.

Philip
 
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Gotta give credit to Romano for going 2 solid yesterday. Not even any nail biting.
 
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Gotta give credit to Romano for going 2 solid yesterday. Not even any nail biting.
I must admit, he looked solid yesterday.

Almost as solid as Roger Clemens arching his back in his delivery, and coming straight over the top with a 1991 overhand 98mph on the inside corner. Easily 104 mph by today’s standards……(fuck Philip, shut up ..enough about The Rocket).

Philip
 
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Woo-Hoo!!!!! We're back in the playoffs. We beat Boston, then Seattle, Houston, and Texas ALL lost.
P.S. Watch out for the Yankees. They are 6 games behind and have won 3 in a row. We play them 6 more times.
…..after injury, Aaron Judge has 32 home runs and 63 RBIs in 330 AB’s. Like holy shit, that’s another 60 home runs in a full season.

Philip
Yankees starting 4 rookies today and a seldom used 2nd year player. The top batting average of that bunch is .221.

Judge was hitting .295 before his injury and is now at .257 so there's that. To be fair to him though not only is he playing the toe injury , he has very little protection behind him in the lineup. He doesn't see a lot of good pitches to hit.

Yankees will miss the postseason this year. The Jays will not!

The Jays starting pitching and solid defense will prevail in the long run. Have faith.
 

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Yankees starting 4 rookies today and a seldom used 2nd year player. The top batting average of that bunch is .221.

Judge was hitting .295 before his injury and is now at .257 so there's that. To be fair to him though not only is he playing the toe injury , he has very little protection behind him in the lineup. He doesn't see a lot of good pitches to hit.

Yankees will miss the postseason this year. The Jays will not!

The Jays starting pitching and solid defense will prevail in the long run. Have faith.
I heard someone on the radio say this is only the first or second year since divisional play(1969) that the Yankess and the Red Sox will finish in the last two spots of their division.
 
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Why the fuck didnt they walk Devers????? FFFFFuuuuuck!
You mean when Cabrera hit him? I dozed off and took a nap during the 8th I didn’t see anything else. I have not checked the box score yet.

Cabrera may be wild, but he looks like a cool guy. He looks like someone I would have partied with at Plaza Flamingo 25 years ago lol.

Philip
 

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You sound like Trudeau.
It's alphabet soup.
Let me explain it to you so a 5 year old child can understand it.
A 5 year plan means you win the WS in 5 years.
It's been 7. They aren't close.
Everybody said it's because we are in same division as NY and BOS.
Well here we are. Year 7 and where is NY and BOS?
Fire them yesterday!

It's important to fire Shapiro. Just like it's important to fire Shanahan. If you don't, nothing changes.
They will hire some other moron to be GM or coach.
They are responsible for Atkins and Dubas. Both are complete morons who went ahead and hired inexperienced coach's.

You tell your fans you are building a Ferrari and then hire Grandma Walton to manage and coach it.
You know @maurice93 is consistently the most intelligent sports analyst on the board, huh?

His posts are head and shoulders above anyone else's.
 
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mandrill

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Why the fuck didnt they walk Devers????? FFFFFuuuuuck!
Devers was down to his last strike. Just that the pitcher fluffed the last pitch and left it up in the zone without any movement.

But yeah. I wondered why they didn't play it safe with Devers too and walk the fucker.
 

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Woo-Hoo!!!!! We're back in the playoffs. We beat Boston, then Seattle, Houston, and Texas ALL lost.
P.S. Watch out for the Yankees. They are 6 games behind and have won 3 in a row. We play them 6 more times.
We just better hope that quality pitching and defence comes through..... cos we got fuck all offence!!! :oops: 🙀:cry:
 

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So experts help me:.....

With so little offence happening from the BO, why tf didn't the Jays play Biggio all season long and why are they sitting Espinal????
 

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So experts help me:.....

With so little offence happening from the BO, why tf didn't the Jays play Biggio all season long and why are they sitting Espinal????
Biggio sucked through most of season.

With Chappy sucking at the plate since his return from IL, I would have put Espy at third today, but thankfully they didn't as Chappy was the hero today.
 
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