True, death rates are falling, in a large part due to widespread vaccination. And I totally get where you are coming from on this. There does seem to be an injustice at least superficially when someone dies because they have refused a particular medical treatment, when bodily autonomy and right to consent to treatment are key principles of medical care. However as others have said, transplant programs do have other requirements to get an organ to ensure the success of the transplant, survival of the organ and the patient. Some of those requirements are no abuse of alcohol, no active drug abuse, willingness and ability to take anti rejection meds, not smoking (if you are getting a lung transplant) to name a few. Because every organ lost, whether it be through rejection or death of a patient, means someone else dies on the wait list (who may have lived had they had a chance at the transplant), these things are taken seriously and factors that significantly decrease the likelihood of success are often non negotiable even if it seems unfair.
This is bullshit! Sudbury man refused kidney transplant due to vaccination status dies
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You forgot to account for the denominator as well. Like I said billions of doses have been given. We now have three years of safely data as well, and like I said, the chance of serious side effects are rare.
It is optional. And there are no massive amount of adverse reactions. There are a tiny percentage of people who have suffered some adverse reactions.
We did not have tracking systems back in the day, the way we do today. COVID is also the largest vaccination campaign in history. 14 Billion doses have been given until now in 184 countries. So, what percentage of those have suffered adverse effects?
In Canada alone, approx. 98 million doses have been administered. 55,145 adverse events have been reported. That is 0.056%. Out of this, 44,239 were non-serious. 10,906 were serious, which represents 0.011% of all doses administered.
That is the actual data. So your claim that it is "massive" is untrue.
Source: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/
Posting sources here is futile cuz you'll just discredit and not believe cuz you're on team Pfizer.
My family member had quite a bad adverse reaction and was hospitalized.
I know a lot of people who profess to have issues they've never had before the jabs.
They all regret falling for the propaganda, or regret not standing up for themselves when the coercion was heavy and their jobs/incomes were threatened.
All for a 99.5% survivable virus.
You'll excuse me if I don't believe the government website propaganda. The same people who used coercion, and inflated covid numbers and deaths to push people towards experimental injections with no long term safety testing.
Again....believe what you wish. This argument goes in circles.
Actually I’m on team Moderna. Lol. Ad hominem arguments don’t really work tho.
“I know a lot of people” is not data. That’s anecdote and subject to confirmation bias. The objective data shows that while adverse reactions can happen, they are very rare.
The virus has killed millions worldwide and the vaccines markedly reduce that risk.
Where I will agree with you is that I think the original mandates may have been or quickly became heavy handed. The initial data suggested that vaccination also significantly reduced transmission, but that quickly changed as the new variants took over, and mandatory vaccination rules should have changed to reflect that, since it could no longer be argued as strongly that mandating vaccination was in the public good.
Is there any real way to prove it prevented transmission/hospitalization/death?
And yes, anecdotal will always be challenged, but it sure makes things real when you're driving a family member to the hospital after they receive an experimental injection.
Randomized controlled trials.
Putting these arguments aside, I am sorry to hear your family member suffered after receiving the vaccine.
The reality here is that health officials had a requirement for transplants. This dude didn't want to follow their policies or rules. Dude gets knocked off the list. You may not agree with it, and you can throw around the "corrupt" government all you like, it doesn't mean this guy made the right choice.
And I mean this sincerely, I hope he never requires one. Or anyone on here.
Thanks dude. It was scary shit. When someone is healthy, no symptoms, believes the propaganda then takes the shot....and then starts to suffer, it sure changes their opinion.
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My heart goes out to the family. I support the science and think the man is a fool. Get the shot, save your life and be there for your wife and kids. I couldn't even imagine denying something, even if I didnt believe that would leave my family alone. Shame.
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What would you have done in his position?
Would you have left a widow and 4 kids behind for refusing a simple vaccine? Even if the vax is "useless" and "do not prevent transmission of infection", as you claim, what's the harm in taking something that won't work? Even if you believe the vax is dangerous, what is the chance of an adverse reaction? Even if you feel death is a possible (probably in the extremely low single digit %age) outcome of the vax, not getting the vax provides a 100% certainty of death.
Please tell us how this is not the stupidest decision either based on statistical odds. Maybe he actually didn't love his family and value his own life and wanted to be a hero/martyr for "the cause".
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Too bad he got so sick, but in the end he was an idiot. As far as people who support his position.................
Again, what would you have done? Stand on principle and guarantee death or sacrifice that principle for the sake of your family not losing their husband and father? Anything other than a yes or know means you'd take the vax but don't want to admit it.
Cut off your nose to spite your face. Not a very intelligent philosophy or principle.
This is where you are wrong. It's not about the COVID shot per se, it's about following protocol for a procedure one is "dying" to receive. If you are scheduled for surgery you are told not to eat or drink from midnight on, do you say, fuck it, I have to drink a little something, no, you listen and you have your surgery. The same applies here, I don't care which jab, or medication one is told they must inject, drink, or stick up their ass, if it's required either do it or deal with the ramifications of your decision.
If the docs doing the transplant didn't believe the Covid vax was necessary and let him have his organ I wouldn't complain about it because I would leave that decision to the experts.
