Covid-19 most likely came from a lab leak,,,,,,,,,duh

[basketcase]

You repeatedly from the beginning continue to fail to address and circumvent the issue of the PRC finding it necessary to suddenly destroy much “evidence “...

First go back and read my posts. I've been pretty clear that I think China has obstructed international observers because of face. And they have been consistent about it including things that have absolutely nothing to do with any lab work. They do it because they want to keep a sense of superiority and secrecy from foreigners.

More importantly, it is completely illogical to claim that the absence of evidence is proof. I'll base my decisions on evidence that is available. You are free to stoke your ego with whatever conspiratorial thinking you want to be involved in but it has nothing to do with science.


p.s. The politicization came from the Orange man and his people who felt desperate to blame China.

 

[lomotil]

First go back and read my posts. I've been pretty clear that I think China has obstructed international observers because of face. And they have been consistent about it including things that have absolutely nothing to do with any lab work. They do it because they want to keep a sense of superiority and secrecy from foreigners.

More importantly, it is completely illogical to claim that the absence of evidence is proof. I'll base my decisions on evidence that is available. You are free to stoke your ego with whatever conspiratorial thinking you want to be involved in but it has nothing to do with science.


p.s. The politicization came from the Orange man and his people who felt desperate to blame China.

Saving face by having your head up your ass eh ? All the world’s a stage.. even for the pandemic.
So the PRC has allowed the wet markets to flourish once again and has stopped allowing research involving infecting human cells with Coronavirus not because they give a fuck about the rest of the world but because they have themselves been heavily ravaged by the Covid-19. Unlike the exportation of fentanyl components to the west in perhaps a macabre Opium Wars like revenge, the PRC realizes that Covid-19 knows no borders.
In the likely event that a lab leak caused this pandemic, I like to think that it was accidental.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

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[squeezer]

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[Phil C. McNasty]

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[basketcase]

Saving face by having your head up your ass eh ? ...

You might want to try and understand the traditional Chinese mindset.

The Cult of "Face" in China | 面子

What is this concept of face in China? Here's a simple explanation of China's cult of face with examples of how it has built up or offended.

www.china-mike.com

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Face (sociological concept) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But sure, blather on about your gut feeling that coincidences can't happen.

 

[lomotil]

You might want to try and understand the traditional Chinese mindset.

The Cult of "Face" in China | 面子

What is this concept of face in China? Here's a simple explanation of China's cult of face with examples of how it has built up or offended.

www.china-mike.com

.

Face (sociological concept) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But sure, blather on about your gut feeling that coincidences can't happen.

That you for sharing your personally selected information on Sino face saving themes
The ancient and very fruitful Chinese culture has absolutely nothing to do with the modern day brutal, totalitarian regime comprised of oligarchs families which rules China since Mao which has violently forced a sinister foreign ideology of Marxist Leninism on their masses and necessarily ignores democracy.
The CCP‘s biggest fear is an uprising by their masses which they control by an infused fear antiquated communism, which your references neglect to mention. Confucius would be displeased with modern China and its leader and even more displeased with the dangerous and irresponsible research which threatened and damaged the entire planet like nothing else before, performed clandestinely in Wuhan and the abhorrent destruction of evidence and lack of cooperation with the rest of mankind during the pandemic which has little if anything to do with saving face and a lot to do with keeping the ruling tyrannical CCP in power. Again the opening of the wet markets by the CCP enforces the likely hood of a non zoonotic origin of Covid-19 and a Wuhan iatrogenic lab cause. The CCP didn’t destroy lab evidence and hospital records to save face, the CCP did it for their own self preservation only.

If you want to see countries where the “saving face culture” is manifested in an non-adulterated way by their governments look at Taiwan or Singapore not China.

 

[Valcazar]

Unlike the exportation of fentanyl components to the west in perhaps a macabre Opium Wars like revenge, the PRC realizes that Covid-19 knows no borders.

Fentanyl is a Chinese plot now?

 

[Valcazar]

Again the opening of the wet markets by the CCP enforces the likely hood of a non zoonotic origin of Covid-19 and a Wuhan iatrogenic lab cause. The CCP didn’t destroy lab evidence and hospital records to save face, the CCP did it for their own self preservation only.

Trying to clarify your logic here, then.

Destroying evidence somewhere means the CCP knows that is where it originated and opening up the wet markets (in any form) means they know it didn't come from there.

Is that correct?

 

[lomotil]

Fentanyl is a Chinese plot now?

The components for the illicit fentanyl trade have been coming from China and Mexico bootlegged to North America for some time now. Mexican drug cartels and the CCP are working together on this. The factories producing the fentanyl components in China can only do so with the green light from the CCP. In a macabre twist to the Opium Wars, maybe this is pay back, but in any case destabilizes the West.
China did not cause the current opioid crisis but they are a major dealer and player in the illicit fentanyl being used across Canada and the USA. This Chinese-Mexican fentanyl is readily available on the streets of Toronto and is easily identified in the City of Toronto Free Injection sites. Illicit fentanyl is not a Chinese plot….but is a CCP plot….duh

 

[lomotil]

Trying to clarify your logic here, then.

Destroying evidence somewhere means the CCP knows that is where it originated and opening up the wet markets (in any form) means they know it didn't come from there.

Is that correct?

Sep 16, 2022

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“Errrrrm there’s a deadly virus leak where did it come from.”

“Well there’s a lab a couple of miles away where they are known to experiment with all kinds of viruses.”

“Nahhhh. Can’t be that.”

“it’s those fuckers eating bat soup.”

“Of course”

ffs.



Valcazar
Just a bundle of fucking sunshine


Aug 15, 2022

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I find it strange that of the tens of thousands of wet markets scattered across China and in a few other countries, Covid-19 originated in a city that co-incidentally has a major viriological centre doing research on Coronaviridea. called Wuhan.
Many support the zoonotic theory including China, but many of China’s actions say otherwise.

And many of China's actions are perfectly consistent with it.
Remember that China has also supported the "lab-created" theory that it was made by Americans or Canadians and used to frame China.

This is your post,

 

[Valcazar]

The components for the illicit fentanyl trade have been coming from China and Mexico bootlegged to North America for some time now. Mexican drug cartels and the CCP are working together on this. The factories producing the fentanyl components in China can only do so with the green light from the CCP. In a macabre twist to the Opium Wars, maybe this is pay back, but in any case destabilizes the West.
China did not cause the current opioid crisis but they are a major dealer and player in the illicit fentanyl being used across Canada and the USA. This Chinese-Mexican fentanyl is readily available on the streets of Toronto and is easily identified in the City of Toronto Free Injection sites. Illicit fentanyl is not a Chinese plot….but is a CCP plot….duh

Opium Wars II. (Or I guess this is the run up to the third Opium war?)
I see.

 

[Valcazar]

Sep 16, 2022

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“Errrrrm there’s a deadly virus leak where did it come from.”

“Well there’s a lab a couple of miles away where they are known to experiment with all kinds of viruses.”

“Nahhhh. Can’t be that.”

“it’s those fuckers eating bat soup.”

“Of course”

ffs.

You don't want to clarify if you believe opening up wet markets means China believes it was a lab virus?

Why are you going on about bat soup?

Valcazar
Just a bundle of fucking sunshine


And many of China's actions are perfectly consistent with it.
Remember that China has also supported the "lab-created" theory that it was made by Americans or Canadians and used to frame China.

This is your post,

Are you saying that China hasn't claimed it was a lab-created virus made by the Americans (and in some versions Canadians in Winnipeg)?
Are you saying that the Chinese government is claiming it is zoonotic transfer that happened at the Hunan market?

 

[dvous11]

Is everyone who thinks this was zoonotic origin really that fucking daft?

 

[lomotil]

You don't want to clarify if you believe opening up wet markets means China believes it was a lab virus?

Why are you going on about bat soup?



Are you saying that China hasn't claimed it was a lab-created virus made by the Americans (and in some versions Canadians in Winnipeg)?
Are you saying that the Chinese government is claiming it is zoonotic transfer that happened at the Hunan market?

No I believe that the CCP has denied that zoonotic transfer happened in the Wuhan market and the CCP believes that Covid-19 is iatrogenic and their propaganda machine implied that America may have created it. Moreover the CCP knows tat they created Covid-19 in the Wuhan lab which is why they destroyed their records which would have implicated them in causing this pandemic.
Outsiders will never know what actual happened.


The bat soup quip is sarcasm which implies what actual happened, a lab leak hastily covered up by the CCP, starting in late 2019 until the present where reckless and ill advised research was going on involving infecting human cells with Covid-19.

It is redundant to have an exercise in symbolic logic and forensic pathology when much of the records and research were deliberately destroyed pertaining to Coronavirus research in Wuhan.
You should forget about the wet markets with zoonotic transfer as a likely cause of this pandemic because those in the know, namely the CCP actions strongly suggest a lab leak. The bat soup business in China is booming once again.

 

[Valcazar]

No I believe that the CCP has denied that zoonotic transfer happened in the Wuhan market and the CCP believes that Covid-19 is iatrogenic and their propaganda machine implied that America may have created it.

OK.

Moreover the CCP knows tat they created Covid-19 in the Wuhan lab which is why they destroyed their records which would have implicated them in causing this pandemic.

I see.

The bat soup quip is sarcasm which implies what actual happened, a lab leak hastily covered up by the CCP, starting in late 2019 until the present where reckless and ill advised research was going on involving infecting human cells with Covid-19.

What does that have to do with bat soup?

It is redundant to have an exercise in symbolic logic and forensic pathology when much of the records and research were deliberately destroyed pertaining to Coronavirus research in Wuhan.

Cool.
So you are happy the CCP covered things up because that lets you make up whatever you want.
Neat.

You should forget about the wet markets with zoonotic transfer as a likely cause of this pandemic because those in the know, namely the CCP actions strongly suggest a lab leak.

Covering up all the activity at the wet market strongly suggests a lab leak, got it.

The bat soup business in China is booming once again.

I presume SARS-CoV-1 was also a lab leak, then?

 

[lomotil]

OK.



I see.



What does that have to do with bat soup?



Cool.
So you are happy the CCP covered things up because that lets you make up whatever you want.
Neat.



Covering up all the activity at the wet market strongly suggests a lab leak, got it.



I presume SARS-CoV-1 was also a lab leak, then?

Reopening the wet markets doesn’t support zoonotic transfer theories but does support a lab leak theory.
I have had bat soup from dried bat soup wings, not from the wet market.

SARS-CoV-1 was not pandemic causing but I don’t believe that it was from a lab leak.
Would you like me to believe that SARS-CoV-1 was from a lab leak?

Such discussions are not permitted by the CCP.

 

[basketcase]

That you for sharing your personally selected information on Sino face saving themes
...

I know you don't care to try and understand anything or anyone who contradicts your gut feelings but I tried.

 

[lomotil]

I know you don't care to try and understand anything or anyone who contradicts your gut feelings but I tried.

So are you an apologist for now for Sino culture or for the lethal machinations of the CCP because the former needs no apologist while the latter has pandemic egg on their face?

Saving lives trumps saving face !

 

[dirtyharry555]

You'll never convince this kind of creature with common sense: