Scientist like Dr Birx et al. and those at the forefront of Coronavirus research at the world renowned Wuhan Virological Institute (perhaps now infamous in some circles) agree that Covid-19 was absolutely not a result of zoonotic transfer.
Dr. Birx now says it was likely a lab leak
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Where are you getting these probabilities from?
The fact there are so many markets is why it is more likely it occurred at one.
Law of big numbers.
No.
Or most scientists don't work together?
Why would a Chinese virologist have to be on the research team?
Why would scientists want to exonerate the PRC?
What are these disadvantages you speak of?
Why do you think it is a "political motivated conclusion"?
You think the concept of zoonotic transfer itself is fake/adulterated?
For someone who wants to "move on" you are *really* focused on making sure everyone says you are right and stops trying to find evidence for things.
Are you a journalist?
Why are you saying "off the record"?
Your friends agree with you, that's cool.
Why?
Cool.
The entire world has conspired to make it impossible to prove you were right all along.
You must be very important.
Why would you think that?
‘Shut down those things right away’: Calls to close ‘wet markets’ ramp up pressure on China
Dr. Anthony Fauci, America’s top infectious disease expert, is the latest to urge countries to crack down on marketplaces like the one linked to the coronavirus outbreak.
www.politico.com
Yup.
No one is bringing it up at all.
But cool - which markets do you want to shut down?
And do we only shut down "wet markets" in China? Or everywhere else they exist?
Yes, authoritarian regimes are dicks.
Hang on.
You not only want to discourage gain of function research (which is discouraged and constantly debated over how much is ethical and in what forms), but you want anyone studying the origin of SARS-CoV-2 to be defunded?
What was so special in the Wuhan wet markets to cause zoonotic transfer as opposed to thousand of other wet markets across China and Asia ? The only thing in Wuhan that was special was that the WVI at the time of the Covid-19 outbreak in that city working on human cells that had coronavirus introduced into them.
Again I do not speak in absolutes and never said that the “ entire “scientific community is part of some plot. For the record, are you denying that the PRC and other actors have been entirely forth coming with what happened in Wuhan lab
and would you expect them to be ? Dr Birx et al., the CIA, MI5, the Mossad, and others have reason to believe that a lab leak occurred with an ensuing elaborate cover up which may or may not be moot at this point. The pandemic still rages on.
p.s. Most scientists that are associated with public universities like those in Canada or China necessarily depend on government funding driven at the end of the day by politician lobbied by industry which have their own goals and machinations such as national security, health care along or classified interests. NSERC in this country is one of them which also accepts foreign funding. Actually many scientist are involved in research projects which are merely parts of a huge plan with several moving parts with ultimately goals that are covert. These scientists often do not know the ultimate goals of those that are funding their research for many reasons.
Then there are the scientist working for private universities world wide, particularly in America or corporations where research results are necessarily skewed towards driving profits.
If necessary convenient conclusions can and have been financed.
Few scientists actually succeed in becoming famous anyway and gaining any distinction.
It is somewhat disingenuous and primitive of you to attempt to decouple scientific research financed by governments and industry from politics, whether it be in Canada, China the USA. or just about any else.!
So all evidence that would support you has been scrubbed, and all evidence that contradicts you was planted by intelligence agencies or otherwise is "adulterated" science.
Gotcha.
No, it is not.
But I also wouldn't call your "laboratory escape" iatrogenic negligence anyway even if it happened.
Out of curiosity, do you think HIV and Ebola were also lab escapes/research gone wrong?
I gotta believe it.So in other words, no matter what any expert in the field tells you otherwise, your mind is made up and that's that.
ps..I have the most beautiful cock because an escort told me so. I can't prove it but hey, I really believed her so it must be true.
There are CIA, MI5 and Mossad etc levels of intelligence and counter intelligence things going on to try and fool people into thinking it might not be true.
Show me Dr Birx's statement to that effect.
In fact, show me the WIV's statement to that effect.
Making up bullshit while blindly ignoring the thousands of researchers around the would who have worked on and reviewed studies about the likely source of the outbreak and the extremely unlikely chance of the virus having been manipulated in a lab. Might as well be watching flat Earth videos.
???? Is this supposed to be an argument? China has hundred of wet markets which have been open for thousands and thousands of days and have had billions of animals pass through them. If it didn't happen there, it would have happened in another market, any of the millions of farms or villages in areas where that species of bat or any other carrier animal can be found. It's like asking what was special with Camp Funston, Kansas for the 1918 flu or the particular farm in Alberta for BSE.
For a guy who says he doesn't speak in absolutes, you have sure made a lot of definitive claims about lab leaks and genetically manipulated viruses.
The fact that there's no evidence supporting his claims shows that the claim is true and 'they' are hiding the evidence.
Maybe zoonotic just coincidental happened in the Wuhan markets where just down the street a Internationally renowned, storied and esteemed lab just happened to be working with human cells infected with coronaviridae, who knows ?
The WVI research scientists and the PRC maintain that absolutely no zoonotic transfer occurred in Wuhan resulting in the pandemic causing Covid-19, nor did a lab leak
Why don’ t you email the WVI and ask then to elaborate on why their statements and actions are in stark contradiction to the findings of their fellow colleagues around that you so passionately reference and champion and post the response.
It is more than disrespectful and arrogant of you to assume that the current position of the PRC is merely an elaborate hoax to save face as their actions and lack of actions have really been a game changer for the rest of the planet.
You intentionally or unintentionally are backing a conspiracy through your propensity to be obtuse and not read between the lines, lines that are dire, glaring obvious and grave and unfortunately make the chance of covering up an other pandemic causing lab leak by a totalitarian regime even more likely. The West is far from perfect but would have found it much more difficult to pull off what the PRC did and continues to do.
Yes. If the outbreak had happened anywhere else, you would still be deep in tinfoil territory with just slightly tweaked anti-scientific claims.
But sure, keep up your make believe stories about Brix and the WVI asserting it was not zoonotic transfer.
“Errrrrm there’s a deadly virus leak where did it come from.”
“Well there’s a lab a couple of miles away where they are known to experiment with all kinds of viruses.”
“Nahhhh. Can’t be that.”
“it’s those fuckers eating bat soup.”
“Of course”
ffs.
“Well there’s a lab a couple of miles away where they are known to experiment with all kinds of viruses.”
“Nahhhh. Can’t be that.”
“it’s those fuckers eating bat soup.”
“Of course”
ffs.
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Read the post below, and wake up and smell the coffee. From the onset, the conclusion from “scientific community “ with respect to the origins of Covid-19 , the spread and the vaccines has been changing and in constant flux, the local and global politics of the pandemic not with standing.
However, common sense, at least for most of us remains rock steady.
Sad that your arguments have devolved to quoting someone else's internal dialogue.
