Except when it comes from scientists it seems.Not necessarily. I am open to reasonable evidence...
Except when it comes from scientists it seems.Not necessarily. I am open to reasonable evidence...
Scientist like Dr Birx et al. and those at the forefront of Coronavirus research at the world renowned Wuhan Virological Institute (perhaps now infamous in some circles) agree that Covid-19 was absolutely not a result of zoonotic transfer.Except when it comes from scientists it seems.
Where are you getting these probabilities from?“Res ipsa loquitur” as per the past and present behaviour of the PRC , Covid-19 was from a WIV lab leak in all probability, not from a zoonotic transfer at a Wuhan wet market which never happened at the thousands of other wet markets across China.
No.Wouldn’t the Zero Covid policy in China necessarily involve the closure of the wet markets if the cause was zoonotic transfer ?
Or most scientists don't work together?The international scientists that have concluded that zoonotic transfer occurred are not supported by Chinese virologists. Is this because the Chinese researcher are beholden to the tyranny of the PRC and cannot freely speak or that they know a lab leak probably happened, or both ?
Why would scientists want to exonerate the PRC?The conclusion of the so called international scientific community Is tainted and somewhat politically motivated to exonerate the PRC from causing this pandemic which is a dangerous precedent going forward. Currently there is no advantage and actually several disadvantages in holding China accountable as the apologists in these posts are tacitly aware of but choose to remain obtuse lol.
Why do you think it is a "political motivated conclusion"?I have much more of a science background than a legal one, I am not a virologist but not exactly a “layman “ either. As there is fear in the police totalitarian state of the PRC to speak out against the party line so too is there a desire to speak out against the political motivated conclusion that zoonotic transfer caused this pandemic.
You think the concept of zoonotic transfer itself is fake/adulterated?The hypothesis and conclusion have long been adulterated.
For someone who wants to "move on" you are *really* focused on making sure everyone says you are right and stops trying to find evidence for things.Let us move on and forgive the PRC but not forget what is the probable cause of this pandemic being an accidental lab leak and to encourage China to never let this disaster ever happen again.
Are you a journalist?I have spoken to a Goverment of Canada epidemiologists ( off the record)
Your friends agree with you, that's cool.another guy working in Wuhan in December 2019 who was evacuated suddenly and “layman” people who reside between the GTA and China who acknowledg that a lab leak most probable happened.
Why?Any of you who are not “laymen”, perhaps scientist, please indicate your backgrounds.
Cool.It is naive to think that any evidence of the scientific research support a lab leak had not been destroyed by the PRC and indeed other foreign actors by now.
Why would you think that?The most knowledgeable group with respect to how Covid-19 came to be would be the Wuhan Institute of Virology
Further more the conclusion from the findings from International researchers that believe that zoonotic transfer occurred resulting in Covid-19 is not only being ignored by the PRC but by other world governments who are not putting pressure on the PRC to ban the wet markets that they claim gave rise to this pandemic. Now why is that?
Yes, authoritarian regimes are dicks.The Biden administration, the UK government and the EU all have asked the PRC, to date to no avail, to cooperate in providing information from the Wuhan Virological Institute towards the likely possibility of a lab leak but they are being stone walled.
Hang on.Dangerous research involving infected human cells with Coronavirus should be discouraged by the scientific international community and research towards exonerating the lab leak theory , like the article that you referenced above should be defunded and discouraged.
What was so special in the Wuhan wet markets to cause zoonotic transfer as opposed to thousand of other wet markets across China and Asia ? The only thing in Wuhan that was special was that the WVI at the time of the Covid-19 outbreak in that city working on human cells that had coronavirus introduced into them.A theoretical concept for courts instead of science? Your arguments are as sketchy as an ambulance chasing lawyer so I guess it's an appropriate term.
There is zero evidence of a lab leak and evidence contrary to your claims that the virus was manipulated in the lab. On the other hand, the original covid strain has been found in the same species that were in that wet market.
As with any conspiracy theorist, you seem to base your whole argument on the belief that the entire scientific community is part of some plot.
p.s. Most scientists don't give a shit about politics; they want their name on a significant discovery and to prove themselves smarter than their peers. If there was any hint of actual evidence, someone would be pushing it everywhere.
So all evidence that would support you has been scrubbed, and all evidence that contradicts you was planted by intelligence agencies or otherwise is "adulterated" science.The evidence for the lab leakproof has long since been scrub, the work done by the WIV classified, the cover up accomplished. This is CIA, MI5 and Mossad etc levels of intelligence and counter intelligence with the “science” being adulterated beyond recognition.
No, it is not.It is not impossible for Covid-19 to have been the result of iatrogenic negligence.
Out of curiosity, do you think HIV and Ebola were also lab escapes/research gone wrong?Unfortunately, the Covid-19 outbreak emanated from Wuhan, home of the WIV which produces a very inconvenient coincidence the zoonotic cabal of apologists.
I gotta believe it.So in other words, no matter what any expert in the field tells you otherwise, your mind is made up and that's that.
ps..I have the most beautiful cock because an escort told me so. I can't prove it but hey, I really believed her so it must be true.
Show me Dr Birx's statement to that effect.Scientist like Dr Birx et al. and those at the forefront of Coronavirus research at the world renowned Wuhan Virological Institute (perhaps now infamous in some circles) agree that Covid-19 was absolutely not a result of zoonotic transfer.
Where are you getting these probabilities from?
The fact there are so many markets is why it is more likely it occurred at one.
Law of big numbers.
“It occurred in a city that is actively involved in coronavirus research involving human cells which not the case in other cities with wet market . This cannot be ignored as an insignificant coincidence.”
No.
Or most scientists don't work together?
Why would a Chinese virologist have to be on the research team?
“All scientist working in China are under the control of the PRC and cannot freely and independently contact foreign interests.”
Why would scientists want to exonerate the PRC?
What are these disadvantages you speak of?
“Angering the world supply chain master known as China for one”
Why do you think it is a "political motivated conclusion"?
” Global economic interests”
You think the concept of zoonotic transfer itself is fake/adulterated?
” Zoonotic transfer is a reality but most likely did not create Covid-19 as evidenced by the actions of the PRC”
For someone who wants to "move on" you are *really* focused on making sure everyone says you are right and stops trying to find evidence for things.
“ I am in favour of finding evidence of all possible causes of this pandemic towards mitigating the risk of another such pandemic “
Are you a journalist?
Why are you saying "off the record"?
“I am not a journalist”
Your friends agree with you, that's cool.
” Friends and enemies agree and disagree with me “
Why?
Cool.
The entire world has conspired to make it impossible to prove you were right all along.
You must be very important.
” No absolutes, please, nothing in entirety “
Making up bullshit while blindly ignoring the thousands of researchers around the would who have worked on and reviewed studies about the likely source of the outbreak and the extremely unlikely chance of the virus having been manipulated in a lab. Might as well be watching flat Earth videos.Scientist like Dr Birx et al. and those at the forefront of Coronavirus research at the world renowned Wuhan Virological Institute (perhaps now infamous in some circles) agree that Covid-19 was absolutely not a result of zoonotic transfer.
???? Is this supposed to be an argument? China has hundred of wet markets which have been open for thousands and thousands of days and have had billions of animals pass through them. If it didn't happen there, it would have happened in another market, any of the millions of farms or villages in areas where that species of bat or any other carrier animal can be found. It's like asking what was special with Camp Funston, Kansas for the 1918 flu or the particular farm in Alberta for BSE.What was so special in the Wuhan wet markets to cause zoonotic transfer as opposed to thousand of other wet markets across China and Asia ? ...
The fact that there's no evidence supporting his claims shows that the claim is true and 'they' are hiding the evidence.So all evidence that would support you has been scrubbed, and all evidence that contradicts you was planted by intelligence agencies or otherwise is "adulterated" science.
Gotcha.
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Yes, the state department was very curious 21 months ago.
???? Is this supposed to be an argument? China has hundred of wet markets which have been open for thousands and thousands of days and have had billions of animals pass through them. If it didn't happen there, it would have happened in another market, any of the millions of farms or villages in areas where that species of bat or any other carrier animal can be found. It's like asking what was special with Camp Funston, Kansas for the 1918 flu or the particular farm in Alberta for BSE.
For a guy who says he doesn't speak in absolutes, you have sure made a lot of definitive claims about lab leaks and genetically manipulated viruses.
Maybe zoonotic just coincidental happened in the Wuhan markets where just down the street a Internationally renowned, storied and esteemed lab just happened to be working with human cells infected with coronaviridae, who knows ?The fact that there's no evidence supporting his claims shows that the claim is true and 'they' are hiding the evidence.
Yes and their curiosity continues and is not quite moot yet is it ?Yes, the state department was very curious 21 months ago.
Yes. If the outbreak had happened anywhere else, you would still be deep in tinfoil territory with just slightly tweaked anti-scientific claims.Maybe zoonotic just coincidental happened in the Wuhan markets ...
This!“Errrrrm there’s a deadly virus leak where did it come from.”
“Well there’s a lab a couple of miles away where they are known to experiment with all kinds of viruses.”
“Nahhhh. Can’t be that.”
“it’s those fuckers eating bat soup.”
“Of course”
ffs.
Yes. If the outbreak had happened anywhere else, you would still be deep in tinfoil territory with just slightly tweaked anti-scientific claims.
But sure, keep up your make believe stories about Brix and the WVI asserting it was not zoonotic transfer.
“Errrrrm there’s a deadly virus leak where did it come from.”
“Well there’s a lab a couple of miles away where they are known to experiment with all kinds of viruses.”
“Nahhhh. Can’t be that.”
“it’s those fuckers eating bat soup.”
“Of course”
ffs.