When Fauci said, "I am science" and yes, while using slighly ambiguous language he did say the science in his opinion was settled, I'd say he was doing the same thing. And his reason for the CYA imo is he knew the possibility was much greater that he wanted the public to know.
Covid-19 most likely came from a lab leak,,,,,,,,,duh
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This is because you have a feeling in your gut and that for you is proof enough eh? LMAO
Um no. We have two bad inspections by the USA prior to that. By the Foreign affairs dept. Employees also on site said they were having trouble getting qualified people. So the lab was not up to spec.
Employees of the lab went to the hospital in November prior to the main outbreak. And the Chinese lied about a bat farm at the lab, and that they were doing gain of function there.
Really though its about trust.
I do not trust the CPP to tell the truth. I do not trust the Big Pharma sponsored labs to tell the truth. I do not Trust Fauci who continued to authorize money to the Wuhan Lab despite reported deficiencies to tell the truth.
There is enough red flags to set off the alarms. And a crapload of money, reputation, and political ramifications to want to create doubt, preset a narrative, and call anyone a conspiracy theoriest who questions them.
Can you imagine the fallout to China foreign relations, to lab funding, to research into diseases, that emwould occur from an accidental outbreak from a lab reported to be shoddy in containment? There is one hell of a lot of incentive from powerful forces to create doubt and hope it goes away.
And it will. No consequences will come of this.
If there was in fact a lab leak responsible for this colossal pandemic and the PRC had wished to orchestrate a cover up then I expect that they would have behaved exactly as they have been doing!!!
Data has been destroyed, scientist at Wuhan who were familiar with the research involving the infection of human cells with Coronavirus silenced. medical doctors in Wuhan ICU’s associated with treating early Covid-19 patients silenced or executed and the so called reservoirs for zoonotic transfer, namely the wet markets allowed to re-open.
The PRC remains very opaque on what really happened in Wuhan.
The actions of the PRC are contrary to the zoonotic transfer theory as are the actions of the millions of Chinese citizens who are again frequenting and supporting the wet markets.
Data has been destroyed, scientist at Wuhan who were familiar with the research involving the infection of human cells with Coronavirus silenced. medical doctors in Wuhan ICU’s associated with treating early Covid-19 patients silenced or executed and the so called reservoirs for zoonotic transfer, namely the wet markets allowed to re-open.
The PRC remains very opaque on what really happened in Wuhan.
The actions of the PRC are contrary to the zoonotic transfer theory as are the actions of the millions of Chinese citizens who are again frequenting and supporting the wet markets.
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Maybe you should read beyond whatever social media site you're on.
And it doesn't change a thing. Some evidence outweighs no evidence in any scientific situation. Get something more convincing that a lab was in the same city and maybe a couple people at the lab had some kind of illness and I'd happily consider it's worth.
The greatest strength of the market theory is the geographic distribution of the infections. It is possible that a lab worker got infected, travelled across the city without infecting anyone before spreading it at the market but it is pretty clear that the market area was the epicentre. That makes it far more likely that the source of the infection was at the market.
p.s. I don't view anyone here as "the enemy" and instead choose to evaluate each stance people give. But yes, when people put forward asinine opinions in one field, it does make me sceptical of their other views.
Not my first choice. Even in a survival situation I'd prefer some kind of grouse or rabbit.
But do you realize how stupid it is when your only evidence is that China has a lab?
Seems like you're not listening to your own advice.
Speaking for myself (but it also seems pretty consistent with the others you're arguing against) our whole argument is based on the evidence and are open to more evidence showing something different coming about. That is exactly the way science works. As of now, the evidence is stronger for a 'natural' cause.
Meanwhile people like Lo and Harry are simply pissed off that the evidence doesn't currently support their gut feeling.
Don't think anyone ridiculed the idea, just Trump's conclusion at a time when it had far less support than it weak evidence it has now.
Wow. What a logically insensible statement. If it's covered up, you wouldn't know whether there was anything to cover up.
But yes, it is likely that China was manipulating information but I suspect that has far much to do with "face" than trying to cover up a leak. For example, covering up how many people died of covid has nothing to do with the source but does make China's public health system look flawed.
So you admit that evidence isn't the important thing for you. Thanks.
Do you know the expression about the baby and the bathwater?
Even if the data is flawed, that in no way provides support for your pet theory.
Yes China has a lab……and this lab was in Wuhan, a lab called the Wuhan Virological Institute which was engaged against the advice and repeated cautions of the international science community, in research where human cells were infected with Coronavirus in a city which was the epicentre of the pandemic.The PRC destroyed all evidence which would could have indicated their culpability. You continue to exhibit your consistent gross, obtuse stupidity in whole or in part.
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I don't agree. Reasonable doubt applies to science.
I've never heard anyone say something like "Follow the science. Ignore the FBI. We've determined that there is a 62% chance that the virus originated.........."
We know about those things because of information that came from China.
You can't point to those and say that you think everything coming from the geographic location of China is inherently fraudulent unless you are saying that those things didn't exist (which I don't think you want to say) because the info came from China.
So obviously - as I said - claiming all info that originates in China must be fraudulent would be a hell of a thing to say.
Of course no one should just default to believing the Chinese government.
We know they are covering things up.
Again, that does not make all data ever found in China fake.
This isn't a difficult concept.
