City of Toronto is broke

[Frankfooter]

Wtf u talking about daft lefty

As soon as you repeat the right wing claim that all politicians are either corrupt or just in it for themselves you enable backing corrupt politicians.
Its up to everyone to call out corrupt use of our tax mone.

 

[dvous11]

As soon as you repeat the right wing claim that all politicians are either corrupt or just in it for themselves you enable backing corrupt politicians.
Its up to everyone to call out corrupt use of our tax mone.

How is that a right wing claim. Truth isn't left or right. Oh wait....to the radical left...truth and actual reality is right wing propaganda isn't it haahaha.

 

[bazokajoe]

Who got them in this position?
12 years of right wing mayors.

And she will put Toronto in a worse position.

 

[Frankfooter]

How is that a right wing claim. Truth isn't left or right. Oh wait....to the radical left...truth and actual reality is right wing propaganda isn't it haahaha.

Because left wingers won't support corruption.
No left wing politician campaigns saying all politicians are corrupt.

 

[DesRicardo]

Lol, based on things I’ve read. I suspect you wouldn’t like my suggestions. Which would be, similar to Don Drummond, ( a left wing economist) that everyone, at every level of government has ignored, as has the electorate. And it’s not a coincidence that every level, municipal, provincial, federal, is in debt up to its eyeballs…..

And if we really want to get down to brass tacks annd point fingers. It’s the electorate that’s to blame because ultimately all politicians like to please, and don’t like pissing off the people whose votes they need to be in power.

Hold spending….and…..raise revenue..
Pretty sure, most of you wouldn’t like that.

I’d start with road tolls for one..because they at least are somewhat discretionary. There’s the TTC, Go,

and if your memory wasn’t so bad, you might have read that, other comments too.

It's not that we wouldn't like your suggestions. they just don't solve anything.

First off, Chow is trying to raise revenue. She proposed several ways. So I don't know what the issue is here. Second, regarding Hold spending. Just last month Toronto had a truck load of asylum seekers dumped into the city with no place to put them. How do you hold spending on that?

Can't keep kick the can down the road. Things need to be addressed.

 

[Darts]

For real life a few examples of left wing governments,

California
Seattle
Portland
San Francisco
and so on

 

[dirtyharry555]

For real life a few examples of left wing governments,

California
Seattle
Portland
San Francisco
and so on

We've seen how shoplifting is condoned in California.

It's starting here now too. Amazing how bystanders are actually defending a thief from getting away.

These are definitely Trudeau voters.

http://instagr.am/p/CwLR477JiA_/

 

[Not getting younger]

It's not that we wouldn't like your suggestions. they just don't solve anything.

First off, Chow is trying to raise revenue. She proposed several ways. So I don't know what the issue is here. Second, regarding Hold spending. Just last month Toronto had a truck load of asylum seekers dumped into the city with no place to put them. How do you hold spending on that?

Can't keep kick the can down the road. Things need to be addressed.

re asylum. I think way back, I said residents of the 416/905 do have legit gripes with JT.
And I think I said, as long as it’s not infrastructure related…..

I also mentioned, regarding bike lanes. If JT can add additional taxes to trucks………But on bike lanes, which I think is a valid complaint. A lot of tax payer money, is being spent on that. Odd how, the 416 thinks user fees, pay to play….just not for all the infrastructure they have/are benefitting huge from…

Another potential problem for the 416, is all those empty office towers, the empty path, etc. will it ever come back to its former glory? Will all that money/economic activity?????

As for Chow.
Don’t live or work there anymore ( for reasons) so don’t have any idea just how deep the hole is anymore. I imagine very. With problems to fix and no money..

The TTC also should likely hike its fares, imagine their budget sucks too.

416/905
But is also biting them in the ass these days, because…how many mega cities are there in Canada. How many world class cities are there in Canada. That for the past 100 years..has benefitted from a ton of infrastructure, corporate tax breaks (lookout if in 5-10 years remote work)….while basically everyone else.withered on the vine.

Welfare bums in the Maritimes
Northern Ontario years ago ( it’s why they always vote NDP and want to separate)
South western Ontario ( known as the armpit)
Central Ontario…screwed in a couple ways, souring hydro cost manufacturers big…

Western Canada where the 416/905 wants to phase out oil…

I can’t see tomorrow. None of us can.
it’s easy to see there’s a world of trouble coming. (One reason I got out) and, most economists do expect another recession soon too.

Point being I guess.
Either residents start paying large ( land taxes, fees for this that, discretionary taxes) to try to get the debt (including provincial) under control, and some problems fixed. More accurately a few bandaids..

it’s just going to get worse. Especially with all that immigration ( in essence replacing boomers) . a lot worse, and even worse when boomers start crushing healthcare

 

[bazokajoe]

Why do people here keep saying raise GO Transit fees.
GO is run by a Provincial Crown Corp called Metrolinx. City of Toronto has nothing to do with it.

 

[Not getting younger]

Why do people here keep saying raise GO Transit fees.
GO is run by a Provincial Crown Corp called Metrolinx. City of Toronto has nothing to do with it.

At one time they were tax deductible. And do we not think, the province too doesn’t need to find ways to raise money……other than “income tax”. Pretty much what Drummond recommended. And it’s not an either or thing. It’s “both”…stop spending and raise revenue. Which I think the significance of, sometimes gets missed….usually it’s “increase taxes”……or “cut spending”

 

[Frankfooter]

Why do people here keep saying raise GO Transit fees.
GO is run by a Provincial Crown Corp called Metrolinx. City of Toronto has nothing to do with it.

Chow should get the city to cut all ties and funding to Metrolinx, including Tory's pet project, Smart track.
DoFo has been found to have been dictating their policies, he should pay for them entirely.

 

[Frankfooter]

At one time they were tax deductible. And do we not think, the province too doesn’t need to find ways to raise money……other than “income tax”. Pretty much what Drummond recommended. And it’s not an either or thing. It’s “both”…stop spending and raise revenue. Which I think the significance of, sometimes gets missed….usually it’s “increase taxes”……or “cut spending”

You don't live here and keep wanting to tell us how it should be run.
You also said Toronto's property taxes are way lower than outside the city, which means raising taxes isn't that outrageous.

Bikes are here and most modern cities are getting more on the streets as they are cheaper on infrastructure and move way more people per sq ft of space.
Montreal is way ahead, London UK way ahead. Other Canadian cities suck, lots of small Ontario towns suck but Toronto is moving in the right direction.

The major problem for the city is provincial offloading of services, including refugees, health and education, that and the OMB messing up planning with moves like Ontario Place.

 

[bazokajoe]

At one time they were tax deductible. And do we not think, the province too doesn’t need to find ways to raise money……other than “income tax”. Pretty much what Drummond recommended. And it’s not an either or thing. It’s “both”…stop spending and raise revenue. Which I think the significance of, sometimes gets missed….usually it’s “increase taxes”……or “cut spending”

The thread is about Toronto's books, not the province.

 

[shack]

The thread is about Toronto's books, not the province.

And which city produces by far the most revenue for the province?

Unfortunately for the righties, Doug Ford/Conservatives are joined at the hip with Toronto. Without Toronto, the rest of the province would suffer financially.

Nice try at deflecting. (Actually, it was a lame attempt. Where was your outrage when Trudeau was mentioned?)

 

[Darts]

NYC has a whole bunch of taxes and that is why many people live in Greenwich (the wealthy) or New Jersey. Same could happen to Toronto where people leave and live in the surrounding suburbs especially if more and more people work from home.

 

[dvous11]

Because left wingers won't support corruption.
No left wing politician campaigns saying all politicians are corrupt.

And yet all left wing politicians in power are corrupt. Trudeau much?
You don’t live in reality.

 

[Not getting younger]

The thread is about Toronto's books, not the province.

Yeah. Because.
1) They aren’t related…( see Almalgamation)
2) people and politicians won’t scream to be bailed out ( points at Tory’s budgets)

Follow politics much?

3) Assuming a rare politician comes a long with the backbone to do at least a little of what’s required. Do you not grasp, that residents of the 416 wil getting nickel and dimed and dollared by both?

The “cities” books….and the province?
Think much?

And when Boomers, start absolutely crushing healthcare. Where are all the main hospitals?
Can you say the 416???????

While that cost will be borne by the province. Staffing them? Places to live? Traffic and commuting?
Think much?

Something else people might want to think about, though this is likely more a concern for the 905.

Seniors (Boomers) aren’t leaving the city for cottage country, as they used to. Seniors have realized having shopping centers close by, community services close by, doctors, dentist, public transit ( can you say TTC) etc etc…infrastructure and amenities…Or have we all not noticed the explosion in retirement homes/communities the last decade?

And lastly on Boomers. Broadly speaking, they are in the upper income brackets. Higher paying jobs like the tens of thousands of suits on Bay street…who won’t be spending $$$ there …when they leave the workforce. Guess what happens to tax revenue, especially the 416s……So tell us all, Go and Metrolinx aren’t related…

But for the 416, 905, province as well with respect to tax revenue. The world and reality does not operate in a tiny little vacuum.

Follow economics much?

 

[Frankfooter]

And yet all left wing politicians in power are corrupt. Trudeau much?
You don’t live in reality.

No, he's not corrupt.

If you're going to make accusations like that you need to prove them.
So go ahead and supply the proof.

 

[Frankfooter]

Seniors (Boomers) aren’t leaving the city for cottage country, as they used to. Seniors have realized having shopping centers close by, community services close by, doctors, dentist, public transit ( can you say TTC) etc etc…infrastructure and amenities…Or have we all not noticed the explosion in retirement homes/communities the last decade?

And lastly on Boomers. Broadly speaking, they are in the upper income brackets. Higher paying jobs like the tens of thousands of suits on Bay street…who won’t be spending $$$ there …when they leave the workforce. Guess what happens to tax revenue, especially the 416s……So tell us all, Go and Metrolinx aren’t related…

This is typical of your posts, ngy.
First you say boomers aren't leaving then in the next sentence you say they are leaving the 416.

Every time you make an argument its like this, random thoughts that you think are clever but clearly contradict each other.

 

[bazokajoe]

Yeah. Because.
1) They aren’t related…( see Almalgamation)
2) people and politicians won’t scream to be bailed out ( points at Tory’s budgets)

Follow politics much?

3) Assuming a rare politician comes a long with the backbone to do at least a little of what’s required. Do you not grasp, that residents of the 416 wil getting nickel and dimed and dollared by both?

The “cities” books….and the province?
Think much?

And when Boomers, start absolutely crushing healthcare. Where are all the main hospitals?
Can you say the 416???????

While that cost will be borne by the province. Staffing them? Places to live? Traffic and commuting?
Think much?

Something else people might want to think about, though this is likely more a concern for the 905.

Seniors (Boomers) aren’t leaving the city for cottage country, as they used to. Seniors have realized having shopping centers close by, community services close by, doctors, dentist, public transit ( can you say TTC) etc etc…infrastructure and amenities…Or have we all not noticed the explosion in retirement homes/communities the last decade?

And lastly on Boomers. Broadly speaking, they are in the upper income brackets. Higher paying jobs like the tens of thousands of suits on Bay street…who won’t be spending $$$ there …when they leave the workforce. Guess what happens to tax revenue, especially the 416s……So tell us all, Go and Metrolinx aren’t related…

But for the 416, 905, province as well with respect to tax revenue. The world and reality does not operate in a tiny little vacuum.

Follow economics much?

You are delusional.