City of Toronto is broke

[Not getting younger]

By the way, “Citiot”…Not actually my word, nor one I really care to use. I learned when I lived in Whitby, collecting my 6 figure salary in downtown hogtown. At the time my Go Passes were tax deductible……….But unlike a lot I have travelled the province extensively. Almost everywhere but the Artic….And I learned from people outside the GTA, back when the Liberals were ramming wind farms down people’s throats, a lot of small towns were taking it on the chin, and we all

stuck our heads in the sand. Hung them out to dry.

And it continues to this day.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.2436869

And while I can’t find the actual announcement, at the same time she gave $75 million. To toney, vote rich, NoTL wine sippers.

Nor can I find any longer the one about one town, after a plant closed. Couldn’t afford to pay the OPP…..after losing its tax revenue, and its employees tax revenue, unless they hiked their land taxes. A whopping 26% and you all whine about tolls on the 412/418..(paid for by everyone and see above link for an idea for how much shit cost us/them)

And sometimes, that word unfortunately does fit.

Without all the infrastructure, corporate tax breaks, etc poured into the GTA, paid for by everyone, and the debt everyone is paying for, it would not be what it is, would not be the world class city it is.. that is a magnet, for companies and their jobs, for tourist and their $$$$, immigrants and people from all over looking for work, and etc and so on, shame many residents aren’t.

 

[DesRicardo]

lol. Typical response from a citiiot who thinks he’s all that. Fine, do it yourself.

You can take your $400,000,000,000 debt with you too…plus all the immigrants, plus all those living in the streets. Looking for work, and a place to hang their hats..

No idea why people struggle grasping that without pouring so much money into hog town it would still be nothing but a pigsty. And what you really should be doing is thanking the taxpayers that have helped build it, but received little in return…….and you wonder why the rest of Canada refers to the GTA as the center of the universe.

You've let political posturing and virtue signalling get to you emotionally. Put your feelings aside and look at logic.

Toronto is at a crossroad and it's going to take all levels of government to sit down and plan the future. This is literally their job.

Then you say we should be thanking the taxpayers that have helped build the city? Sorry but most of the foundation in Toronto was built well over 40 years ago. Received nothing in return? Sorry again, your city has been providing you services with reasonable accessibility. If anything you should be thankful to have a make money in Toronto as a non-resident.

Men lie, Women lie, Numbers don't.

 

[Not getting younger]

Lmao who is posturing.
Gather them all up and dump the problem on someone else. Who certainly isn’t in any kind of position to absorb them, are worse off….(not sure that was actually you). Not unlike the city dumps it’s garbage somewhere else…

The feds should bail us out…pay for the infrastructure…There’s a great idea. Make people in New Foundland pay for your problem…

it’s our money…
Maybe. But who paid for it all. Be that the infrastructure, be that the CN tower, be that the lower tax rates so employers located and locate there, be that corporate welfare for GM, Ford, and many others be that Nuke plants and wind farms to keep all those lights on at night….. Be that Wynne finding 200 thousand for Leamington, and jobs lost there, but 75 million for jobs in Niagara on the Lake….Be that 400 billion in debt

get the picture yet??

if you were newly landed in Canada, where would you go……..the armpit of Ontario? The Maritimes where many of “you” say they are just welfare bums, sucking on JTs teat?

You made your bed…

 

[Nathan 88]

Toronto got what they wanted. A tax and spend NDP mayor.

Who got them in this position?
12 years of right wing mayors.

 

[Not getting younger]

Who got them in this position?
12 years of right wing mayors.

more like 40-60 years of different things, by different parties at all levels of government but the one common denominator is

the electorate.

John Tory by the way, not considered a conservative. Not sure he can be called left of center either.

Jamil Jivani: John Tory was not a conservative or centre-right mayor

How drastically has the Overton window shifted to the left?

nationalpost.com

 

[Anbarandy]

more like 40-60 years of different things, by different parties at all levels of government but the one common denominator is

the electorate.

John Tory by the way, not considered a conservative. Not sure he can be called left of center either.

Jamil Jivani: John Tory was not a conservative or centre-right mayor

How drastically has the Overton window shifted to the left?

nationalpost.com

Long Dong Tory, a failed conservative mayor in addition to the tag team Gravy Team nutjob brothers co-mayors Rob 'n' Doug Ford preceding him, whose fiscally conservative ideology, policies and dimwitted austere "bankrupt the city" budgets drove the city to the precipice of financial catastrophe.

 

[Not getting younger]

Lol. With zero, none, Nada backup. Just hot air, your word. Which has proven many times, to be clueless not worth the bandwidth.

And I’m just curious given “conservative” dogma typically means
Small govt
Small spending
Small taxes

how that leads to deficits, debt, and “bankruptcy”…. Do you know the definition of fiscal discipline and prudence? Obviously don’t know the meaning of austerity

my god, do you ever, ever pause to think
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if people really want a place to start, though could and should look back over 40-60 years. Start with Almalgamation. Agree or disagree, not important.

understand why that was done. To download cost from the province ( cough) to municipal

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5756940

 

[Anbarandy]

No amount of regurgitation of failed and faux conservative ideology, policies and "bleed 'em till they break" fiscal mismanagement can erase, obfuscate and deny 13 years of evidentiary history.

 

[DesRicardo]

John Tory by the way, not considered a conservative. Not sure he can be called left of center either.

Jamil Jivani: John Tory was not a conservative or centre-right mayor

How drastically has the Overton window shifted to the left?

nationalpost.com

Tory the adulterer was the leader of the Ontario PC party. You can't get much more conservative than that.

Just because he is a failure and a disgrace doesn't give Conservative the right to distance themselves from him.

Didn't Doug say he rather keep Tory then have a lefty Mayor?

 

[Not getting younger]

You’re so clueless Frankie. You’ve proven that many times, many. Don’t know your butt hole from your lips. The evidence on that is in, many many times.

It’s also, beyond obvious why you won’t look at Almalgamation, and then go from there. Let alone really before that.

Fine, he we go again. Let’s see this time how politically astute you aren’t.

Tory’s first budget. Borrowing/spending

John Tory pitches his first Toronto budget in moral terms but fails to get $86M funding from province

As questions swirled about a $25M shortfall in the budget, Tory imbued his rhetoric with words like ‘common sense’ and ‘caring,’ while promising to lead belt tighte…

nationalpost.com

Torys 2nd budget. Borrowing/spending way more

Tory’s Toronto budget plan relies on $200-million provincial loan - The Globe and Mail

Budget is ‘focused on getting Toronto moving, putting people first and keeping taxes low,’ mayor says

www.theglobeandmail.com

Tory’s last budget. Spending, more of it.

City of Toronto 2023 Budget protects frontline services and invests in housing, community safety, transit, parks and emergency services

News Release February 15, 2023 Today, City Council considered the 2023 rate and tax-supported operating and capital budgets proposed by Mayor John Tory. The 2023 Budget protects frontline services in the face of a challenging financial year, makes much-needed investments in housing, community...

www.toronto.ca

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Let’s see what actual conservatives think of him. You know, that right wing, conservative CTF…

you guys are funny.

https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/tory’s-reckless-record

So clueless, doesn’t know a thing. Proves that over and over and over and over. Pretending to be smart and savy. Keeps sticking his foot in his butt hole, while trying to talk out of it.

and says the guy that thinks it’s his money.

 

[Not getting younger]

Pretty obvious some of you don’t actually follow politics, or read budgets when they come out…..or how to read them.

 

[DesRicardo]

Pretty obvious some of you don’t actually follow politics, or read budgets when they come out…..or how to read them.

So to sum everything up, what's your suggestion for 2023/24?

 

[rocketmortgage]

Toronto currently is in a fiscal mess and I would not be surprised if we see a drastic raise in our property taxes. Chow needs to start looking at what she can do to bring in more revenue to the city. It seems like every year we keep increasing the TTC rates and add more police officers I think maybe we need to start looking at how maybe we can use some corporations to increase their advertising and certain public on places and to see if they can bring in some money.

 

[Anbarandy]

So to sum everything up, what's your suggestion for 2023/24?

It appears, based upon the evidence on the totality of his posts:

"More of the same, please!"

Not bloody likely!

 

[Not getting younger]

Lol, based on things I’ve read. I suspect you wouldn’t like my suggestions. Which would be, similar to Don Drummond, ( a left wing economist) that everyone, at every level of government has ignored, as has the electorate. And it’s not a coincidence that every level, municipal, provincial, federal, is in debt up to its eyeballs…..

And if we really want to get down to brass tacks annd point fingers. It’s the electorate that’s to blame because ultimately all politicians like to please, and don’t like pissing off the people whose votes they need to be in power.

Hold spending….and…..raise revenue..
Pretty sure, most of you wouldn’t like that.

I’d start with road tolls for one..because they at least are somewhat discretionary. There’s the TTC, Go,

and if your memory wasn’t so bad, you might have read that, other comments too.

 

[Not getting younger]

One other thing you people that are actually to blame need to think about…..

forgot all the financial experts that were screaming warnings around 2000. Don Drummond an extremely left wing economist ( one of the one I like/followed) who was cherry picked by McGuinty, because he would be the most “kind”….

Warned you all 13 years ago. When there might have been time before Boomers started retiring. When the revenue needed wasn’t as much, and there was 10-20 years and some time…. When the problems in healthcare, housing, hydro, etc etc were already there with no money to fix….But you all wanted was more and more and more….Too late now…

And that was before immigration went through the roof,etc etc.

 

[Frankfooter]

All politicians in power are for hire. NONE of them work for the taxpayers.

You bought the lie that means you're now ok with backing corrupt asshats.

 

[Frankfooter]

if people really want a place to start, though could and should look back over 40-60 years. Start with Almalgamation. Agree or disagree, not important.

Another conservative move to try to keep conservative control of Toronto.

 

[Frankfooter]

One other thing you people that are actually to blame need to think about…..

who are these people that you think are 'actually to blame'?

 

[dvous11]

You bought the lie that means you're now ok with backing corrupt asshats.

Wtf u talking about daft lefty