Climate Change

[JohnLarue]

I wonder what the point is debating climate deniers.

scientific debate is required to arrive at the truth
if you have zero interest in the truth and are fully committed to your ideological position, there is no point in debating
the cost of course is your credibility

They will ignore evidence and the vast majority of scientists (something like 99%) that agree there is a human factor to global warming and it will have catastrophic consequences.

Anyone quoting a 99% consensus is either a damn liar or completely ignorant of the facts.
if it were 99% the 1% would not be worth your while to write about

They would rather believe it's just one big conspiracy to impose a new world order on people (or some other bullshit).

nope , just a well funded propaganda effort based on ignorance, fear and pseudo-science
deliberate efforts to silence opposition and deliberate attempts to target children with propaganda, should be your first clue this not 'settled science'

no need for that bullshit if the scientific hypothesis is sound
and in this case it is far from sound

Meanwhile, because of this denial, governments drag their feet.

Too funny
please lay the blame for government inefficiency at the feet of....... govt

if you had a clue you would know , the Trudeau govt has been very efficient at taxing carbon dioxide and has destroyed Canada as investment option for oil & gas, sowing east/ west division

Now, I get it. Al Gore said some shit that hasn't happened (yet), or there is some other stupid argument they'll throw back at ya. But, we're seeing shit that has not happened on this planet in thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, or year. Permafrost is melting. Glaciers are melting. Weather patterns are shifting, leading to droughts or severe flooding.

no you do not get it
not even close

the climate models have a brutal prediction record, they can not even reproduce the past
extreme weather events have not increased in intensity or frequency, what has increased is the media attention to naturally occurring events


if you were truly a student of geological history , you would know the planet is still emerging from a naturally occurring ice age
the ice at the top and bottom of the planet should be your first clue

I'm sort of fed up with it, so I'll just quote Bill Cosby and ask, "How long can you tread water?"

and how fed up are rational people having uncompromising zealots push this propaganda on them and having govt tax them on an inert gas

Antarctica holds 90% of the worlds ice and 70% of the fresh water, it is a massive ice sheet kilometers thick and it is frozen 99% of the time.

maybe instead of quoting a serial rapist, you should ask yourself how long can you survive without fossil fuels?

my guess is you would not last three months without fossil fuels
three weeks if its winter

get back to us once you have completely weaned yourself off of fossil fuels
until then, we are fed up with your self righteous whining

 

[Frankfooter]

scientific debate is required to arrive at the truth
if you have zero interest in the truth and are fully committed to your ideological position, there is no point in debating

Here is where the science lies:

IPCC — Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

www.ipcc.ch

If your position wasn't ideological you'd be starting the debate there.

 

[silentkisser]

scientific debate is required to arrive at the truth
if you have zero interest in the truth and are fully committed to your ideological position, there is no point in debating
the cost of course is your credibility


Anyone quoting a 99% consensus is either a damn liar or completely ignorant of the facts.
if it were 99% the 1% would not be worth your while to write about




nope , just a well funded propaganda effort based on ignorance, fear and pseudo-science
deliberate efforts to silence opposition and deliberate attempts to target children with propaganda, should be your first clue this not 'settled science'

no need for that bullshit if the scientific hypothesis is sound
and in this case it is far from sound


Too funny
please lay the blame for government inefficiency at the feet of....... govt

if you had a clue you would know , the Trudeau govt has been very efficient at taxing carbon dioxide and has destroyed Canada as investment option for oil & gas, sowing east/ west division



no you do not get it
not even close

the climate models have a brutal prediction record, they can not even reproduce the past
extreme weather events have not increased in intensity or frequency, what has increased is the media attention to naturally occurring events


if you were truly a student of geological history , you would know the planet is still emerging from a naturally occurring ice age
the ice at the top and bottom of the planet should be your first clue


and how fed up are rational people having uncompromising zealots push this propaganda on them and having govt tax them on an inert gas

Antarctica holds 90% of the worlds ice and 70% of the fresh water, it is a massive ice sheet kilometers thick and it is frozen 99% of the time.

maybe instead of quoting a serial rapist, you should ask yourself how long can you survive without fossil fuels?

my guess is you would not last three months without fossil fuels
three weeks if its winter

get back to us once you have completely weaned yourself off of fossil fuels
until then, we are fed up with your self righteous whining

Oh look who it is, someone who types a lot but doesn't really add anything to the discussion....

How long can you tread water?

 

[JohnLarue]

Oh look who it is, someone who types a lot but doesn't really add anything to the discussion....

keep whining, its getting you nowhere fast

How long can you tread water?

too funny

you will not survive without fossil fuels

yet Antarctica will still hold 90% of the worlds ice long after you are gone

now i am pretty sure you have other causes where you get to put your virtue signaling self -righteousness on display, where you get to lord over others
why don't you scurry along to one of those causes


& then get back to us once you have completely weaned yourself off of fossil fuels and you actually claim some moral superiority
though it would be for not as you would still be clueless about atmospheric physics and still wrong,

until then, we are fed up with your self righteous whining

 

[Not getting younger]

I have a question. I wonder who might want to answer it. The situation in Juneua Alaska. If we have known that the Northwest passage has slowly been opening for a few decades if not more. Probably now, close to 50-60 years..Why have any and all government officials, allowed and continue allow building in obvious areas, and or along coastlines……and perhaps maybe instead of panicking over that, is it not time to start putting more energy into “what next, where next”??

Crops.
It should surprise no-one that as the average temperatures increase, precipitation patterns change. Yet for some inexplicable reason so many here seem shocked and utterly dismayed. .

Who says, what grows here in Canada today, won’t instead grow somewhere else. Who says, that crops growing in warmer, dryer or wetter environments won’t grow and thrive here tomorrow..weather patterns are and will change. As will what grows and lives wherever.


Here’s a quote from one article I recalled

"A thousand years ago these same kinds of events would be significant but the populations of animals would have been much larger. They would have been more resilient to this change."

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6325834
Also found crocodile tears about “invasive” species telling. Oh no!!!!!!Some will die off, some will thrive, some will migrate out, some in…

One thing I am fairly certain of. The hubris and audacity of mankind knows no limits. Always thinking it knows better than nature.

A thousand years ago….the population of various species would have been more resilient. A thousand years ago the planet wasn’t infected by us…The problem is us, and our population growth…as always few want to look at, talk about that..

Nor can I quite figure out why, with a cash cow like fossil. Few want to capitalize on it while we can and make, the actual changes we should be. Thinking about tomorrow, because it is coming…..No matter how much cauterwualing , twisting like fish on hooks we do.

 

[canada-man]

The party behind the declaration of a national climate change emergency in 2019 has shuttered at least four manual and automatic atmospheric monitoring locations in Yukon, Northwest Territories, and Nunavut since 2012.


Trudeau's Liberals are closing weather monitoring stations in the North

 

[Frankfooter]

I have a question. I wonder who might want to answer it. The situation in Juneua Alaska. If we have known that the Northwest passage has slowly been opening for a few decades if not more. Probably now, close to 50-60 years..Why have any and all government officials, allowed and continue allow building in obvious areas, and or along coastlines……and perhaps maybe instead of panicking over that, is it not time to start putting more energy into “what next, where next”??

Crops.
It should surprise no-one that as the average temperatures increase, precipitation patterns change. Yet for some inexplicable reason so many here seem shocked and utterly dismayed. .

Who says, what grows here in Canada today, won’t instead grow somewhere else. Who says, that crops growing in warmer, dryer or wetter environments won’t grow and thrive here tomorrow..weather patterns are and will change. As will what grows and lives wherever.


Here’s a quote from one article I recalled

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6325834
Also found crocodile tears about “invasive” species telling. Oh no!!!!!!Some will die off, some will thrive, some will migrate out, some in…

One thing I am fairly certain of. The hubris and audacity of mankind knows no limits. Always thinking it knows better than nature.

A thousand years ago….the population of various species would have been more resilient. A thousand years ago the planet wasn’t infected by us…The problem is us, and our population growth…as always few want to look at, talk about that..

Nor can I quite figure out why, with a cash cow like fossil. Few want to capitalize on it while we can and make, the actual changes we should be. Thinking about tomorrow, because it is coming…..No matter how much cauterwualing , twisting like fish on hooks we do.

You're rambling.

Coasts - people have been warned for decades and keep buying, blame them.
Crops - discussed here: https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/climate-change.815596/post-8041761

Its already happening around the world.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1682274439948271616

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1687602055479996424

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1681434925201780736

 

[oil&gas]

I'm sort of fed up with it, so I'll just quote Bill Cosby and ask, "How long can you tread water?"

We all can tread water as long as emission target deadlines allow.
We are still 6 years away from reaching 50% emission reduction and
25+ years from net zero. Climate denial won't likely undermine progress
in nation's climate policies.

Sheeple who have been following statements and remarks made by our
climate leaders Steven Guilbeault and Jonathan Wilkinson
should have little to worry about their climate future. By 2050 major
oil projects like those offshore Newfoundland will continue producing
oil only under the condition that zero emission is reached by then. No,
big oil is not the one who figured out people would actually believe
zero-emission can be achieved while drilling in deep water 500 km offshore.
Our government who granted approvals and support towards escalation
of oil development and exploration came up with that brilliant idea.

 

[Frankfooter]

We all can tread water as long as emission target deadlines allow.
We are still 6 years away from reaching 50% emission reduction and
25+ years from net zero. Climate denial won't likely undermine progress
in nation's climate policies.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1689286051259359233

EPA Approved a Fuel Ingredient Even Though It Could Cause Cancer in Virtually Every Person Exposed Over a Lifetime

An EPA document shows that a new Chevron fuel ingredient has a lifetime cancer risk more than 1 million times higher than what the agency usually finds acceptable — even greater than another Chevron fuel’s sky-high risk disclosed earlier this year.

www.propublica.org

 

[K Douglas]

5% of Canadians are 'dismissive' like you.
That's a tiny minority of science deniers.

Don't buy this for a second. Probably another one of these 97% consensus surveys that are worthless.

 

[K Douglas]

I wonder what the point is debating climate deniers. They will ignore evidence and the vast majority of scientists (something like 99%) that agree there is a human factor to global warming and it will have catastrophic consequences. They would rather believe it's just one big conspiracy to impose a new world order on people (or some other bullshit). Meanwhile, because of this denial, governments drag their feet. Now, I get it. Al Gore said some shit that hasn't happened (yet), or there is some other stupid argument they'll throw back at ya. But, we're seeing shit that has not happened on this planet in thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, or year. Permafrost is melting. Glaciers are melting. Weather patterns are shifting, leading to droughts or severe flooding.

I'm sort of fed up with it, so I'll just quote Bill Cosby and ask, "How long can you tread water?"

You're the denier because you choose to ignore any climate science that existed prior to temperature 'records' being kept.

 

[oil&gas]

Below is the assurance from our government that the latest major
deep water oil project approved will reach net zero emission. This
should come as relief to climate sheeple. Hope they will come to
realize any fear of catastrophic climate future is misplaced. Just
be worry-free and rest assured that zero-emission will eventually
be achieved while driving your gas guzzlers.

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April 6, 2022 — Ottawa — Impact Assessment Agency of Canada
Now more than ever, Canadians expect the Government of Canada to take action and promote innovative measures to combat climate change. We know that we can build a Canadian energy sector that is world-leading on environmental measures for today, and innovating for our clean future. Today, we have taken an important step in that direction................................................................................................
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the proposed Bay du Nord Development Project is not likely to cause significant adverse environmental effects when mitigation measures are taken into account. The project is therefore allowed to proceed with strict measures to protect the environment.
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"The federal government concurs with the recommendation of the Impact Assessment Agency of Canada. As a result, the Bay du Nord Development Project may proceed, subject to some of the strongest environmental conditions ever, including the historic requirement for an oil and gas project to reach net-zero emissions by 2050. The project has undergone a robust federal environmental assessment and scrutiny through every part of Canada's legislated review process. As the demand for oil and gas falls throughout the coming decades, it will be more important than ever that Canadian projects are running at the best-in-class, low-emissions performance to play a competitive role."

— The Honourable Steven Guilbeault, Minister of Environment and Climate Change
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Government Accepts Agency's Recommendation on Bay du Nord Development Project, Subject to the Strongest Environmental GHG Condition Ever - Canada.ca

Now more than ever, Canadians expect the Government of Canada to take action and promote innovative measures to combat climate change. We know that we can build a Canadian energy sector that is world-leading on environmental measures for today, and innovating for our clean future. Today, we have...

www.canada.ca

 

[oil&gas]

Climate deniers who merely question the science of climate change would
not likely be the ones who control where climate change is going. The people
climate sheeple would have more to worry about are climate lunatics who
challenge the policies of our climate leaders.

Environmental groups sue Canada over Bay du Nord oil project approval

Environmental groups are suing the Canadian government in a bid to overturn its approval of Equinor ASA's huge Bay du Nord offshore oil project, Sierra Club Canada, one of the plaintiffs, announced on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

Environment minister sued by group he co-founded following Bay du Nord approval

Équiterre, co-founded by Steven Guilbeault in 1993, and the Sierra Club Canada are suing on the grounds that the oil project's approval "runs counter to Canada's international obligations."

montrealgazette.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Don't buy this for a second. Probably another one of these 97% consensus surveys that are worthless.

I know you don't buy this.

Just like you won't accept the science, won't accept temp, sea temp, ocean levels or extreme weather events.
Just like you won't accept anything that doesn't agree with your confirmation bias.

That just makes it clearer you're part of a tiny, tiny minority of people with extremist views.

 

[Frankfooter]

You're the denier because you choose to ignore any climate science that existed prior to temperature 'records' being kept.

You're talking about the 70's and earlier, right?
Revealed: Exxon made ‘breathtakingly’ accurate climate predictions in 1970s and 80s
This article is more than 6 months old
Oil company drove some of the leading science of the era only to publicly dismiss global heating

Or earlier?

How 19th Century Scientists Predicted Global Warming - JSTOR Daily

Today’s headlines make climate change seem like a recent discovery. But Eunice Newton Foote and others have been piecing it together for centuries.

daily.jstor.org

 

[Frankfooter]

Climate deniers who merely question the science of climate change would
not likely be the ones who control where climate change is going. The people
climate sheeple would have more to worry about are climate lunatics who
challenge the policies of our climate leaders.

 

[Not getting younger]

Bay du Nord.
off the east coast where there is traditional support for the Liberals…”Nuff said”

Now more than ever, Canadians expect the Government of Canada to take action and promote innovative measures to combat climate change

Yeah, like we can prevent it. Might as well combat the Sun rising in the East.

 

[oil&gas]

Yeah, like we can prevent it. Might as well combat the Sun rising in the East.

We cannot prevent it but fools, which means most of the climate sheeple,
are happy to buy into their leaders' climate lies. That makes climate policies
like setting zero emission targets for oil and gas production worthwhile.

 

[JohnLarue]

We cannot prevent it but fools, which means most of the climate sheeple,
are happy to buy into their leaders' climate lies. That makes climate policies
like setting zero emission targets for oil and gas production worthwhile.

?

how in the world can anything based on a lie be worthwhile ?

 

[Frankfooter]

?

how in the world can anything based on a lie be worthwhile ?

Everything you post is based on this lie.

Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago
A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation