Should we halt Immigration until we can get it under control.

[jeff2]

Any idea how many of those new subscribers were immigrants? I am sure that there were some and adding subscirbers is certainly a good thing but the level of immigration based subscriber grwoth could not be meterail to Rogers bottom line.

I would think that the boomers and their kids already have phones.Of course, there are also tons of foreign students and TFWs.

From Statscan(2022):

• Immigration accounts for almost 100% of Canada’s labour force growth. Roughly 75% of Canada’s population growth comes from immigration, mostly in the economic category. By 2036, immigrants will represent up to 30% of Canada’s population, compared with 20.7% in 2011.

 

[toguy5252]

I would think that the boomers and their kids already have phones.Of course, there are also tons of foreign students and TFWs.

From Statscan(2022):

• Immigration accounts for almost 100% of Canada’s labour force growth. Roughly 75% of Canada’s population growth comes from immigration, mostly in the economic category. By 2036, immigrants will represent up to 30% of Canada’s population, compared with 20.7% in 2011.

I am speaking of immateriality. rogers should fight to add every subscriber it can but the contribution form immigration could not be material. In the future? Who knows. Canada need immigration and every immigrant is a potential subscriber so yes a good thing but not material at least for now.

 

[jeff2]

I am speaking of immateriality. rogers should fight to add every subscriber it can but the contribution form immigration could not be material. In the future? Who knows. Canada need immigration and every immigrant is a potential subscriber so yes a good thing but not material at least for now.

Immigration is a massive business in this country. The real estate developers and the oligopolies greatly benefit from this.

 

[toguy5252]

Immigration is a massive business in this country. The real estate developers and the oligopolies greatly benefit from this.

I am in the RE business and you are certainly correct when it comes to real estate but the impact of immigration has been grossly overstated.

 

[Dutch Oven]

I would think that the boomers and their kids already have phones.Of course, there are also tons of foreign students and TFWs.

From Statscan(2022):

• Immigration accounts for almost 100% of Canada’s labour force growth. Roughly 75% of Canada’s population growth comes from immigration, mostly in the economic category. By 2036, immigrants will represent up to 30% of Canada’s population, compared with 20.7% in 2011.

In a competitive market, businesses are always trying to cut costs. It seems the best idea they have at the moment is to import immigrants who will work for less. However, this wage suppression has not reduced the cost of anything for consumers, such as housing or food, because Canadian productivity has dropped off signficantly and Canadian governments have spent too much on operational spending (which doesn't produce future returns to the economy) and borrowed too much to do it. As a result, these new Canadians live worse and worse, to the point that traditional single family housing is completely unaffordable for them.

This is a systemic plan with predictable results. The further we go down this road, the worse (weaker and poorer) our society will be.

Canada needs to become (again) a place that is attractive to investors who will create MIDDLE CLASS employment. If we can't do that, we are doomed to slide away from our first world standard of living. Immigration has nothing to do with creating this kind of business environment (unless we limited immigration to those who would start businesses which will increase middle class employment in Canada).

 

[jeff2]

In a competitive market, businesses are always trying to cut costs. It seems the best idea they have at the moment is to import immigrants who will work for less. However, this wage suppression has not reduced the cost of anything for consumers, such as housing or food, because Canadian productivity has dropped off signficantly and Canadian governments have spent too much on operational spending (which doesn't produce future returns to the economy) and borrowed too much to do it. As a result, these new Canadians live worse and worse, to the point that traditional single family housing is completely unaffordable for them.

This is a systemic plan with predictable results. The further we go down this road, the worse (weaker and poorer) our society will be.

Canada needs to become (again) a place that is attractive to investors who will create MIDDLE CLASS employment. If we can't do that, we are doomed to slide away from our first world standard of living. Immigration has nothing to do with creating this kind of business environment (unless we limited immigration to those who would start businesses which will increase middle class employment in Canada).

Yeah. This Toronto Star article(a little surprised the Star printed this)which you can probably get without a paywall kind of sums it up.

Canada standard of living lagging compared to others: report (thestar.com)

 

[basketcase]

Maybe there are racists out there....you won't see t hem everyday....they're a minority now too...doesn't represent the entirety of a small town even...

Of course most people are too polite to be overtly racist to passer-byes.

If you read that article about Simcoe schools, there was a significant backlash about the reb flag being banned. As I said before, most people aren't intentionally racist but rather react poorly to things (people) they aren't familiar with. To add, in times of stress, people tend to look for others to blame for their problems and easily fall prey to those that do want to openly promote hate.

 

[basketcase]

Immigration is a massive business in this country. The real estate developers and the oligopolies greatly benefit from this.

Hmm. How does this mesh with the right wing claims of the GTA being overrun with the world's useless poor.

 

[mj400metres]

Without immigration our country will be in trouble.

 

[basketcase]

Simple. Even the "useless poor", as you put it, will need a place to live (public housing) and bank (deposit welfare cheques) and buy groceries and clothes and phones. The government will provide the money, and they will spend it. So some parties do benefit.

You mean like freeing up greenbelt land for your developer buddies so they can build unaffordable housing in places where there aren't supports for immigrants?

 

[TomFord1980]

Race is the like the third thing immigrants think about when moving to a big city. I moved to Toronto because I am all about living downtown, in a big city. Plus this is where you have jobs. That is the first and second consideration - lifestyle, jobs. But yes, if it is a small city then I would think about local attitudes to foreigners, immigrants and non whites, but that won't be my first thought.

You're one in a million bro.

 

[TomFord1980]

Lots of racists among older folks (40 plus) but yes, the younger generation you will find fewer and fewer as the older ones die off. Unless of course the Repugs and Conservatives have their way and infiltrate the education system.

This is dangerous rhetoric. The younger POC will target older whites, which is what the liberals want as that is their base.

 

[TomFord1980]

Without immigration our country will be in trouble.

You've drant the Kool aid pal. Immigration is the result of the USAs endless wars. Imagine what canada could do with all the money they send overseas to support USA proxy wars?

 

[Dragon77]

This is dangerous rhetoric. The younger POC will target older whites, which is what the liberals want as that is their base.

There is zero proof or evidence of this. As a matter of fact, anyone living in the GTA can see the diversity in city with all sorts of ethnicities and cultures cohabitating. These young POC don't care about you when they have bigger issues such as housing and inflation to worry about.

Your assumption and rhetroic is based of your personal views that has to do with hating/disliking liberals. The fact you mentioned "target" sums it up. Are you part of the "older whites" you mention? What threat do these younger POC possess that has you intimidated?

 

[Darts]

Immigrants tend to congregate in areas where the residents look like them although this might be changing in recent years. Think of the various ethnic enclaves. Little Italy, Little Portugal, Chinatown, Koreatown, Greektown, Little India, Brampton, Mississauga, etc. It's possible to live your entire life in Toronto/GTA without learning English.

"Little" countries in Toronto? : r/askTO (reddit.com)

The newest enclave is:
Toronto continues to overlook the gem that is Little Ethiopia (blogto.com)

 

[TomFord1980]

How is immigration to Canada a result of USA's wars when Canada has set conscious and deliberate immigration goals?

If the USA didn't start wars and overthrow governments, there wouldn't be so many people needing to leave their country for a better situation. But don't get me wrong sir I do thank you for raising housing prices in the GTA

 

[TomFord1980]

Here is a breakdown of the top 10 immigrant nationalities to Canada in 2022.

Source:

IRCC unveils the top 10 source countries of new immigrants to Canada in 2022 | CIC News

www.cicnews.com

1. India (118, 095 immigrants) – 27%
2. China (31,815 immigrants) – 7.2%
3. Afghanistan (23,735 immigrants) – 5.4%
4. Nigeria (22,085 immigrants) – 5.05%
5. Philippines (22,070 immigrants) – 5.04%
6. France (14,145 immigrants) – 3.2%
7. Pakistan (11,585 immigrants) – 2.6%
8. Iran (11,105 immigrants) – 2.5%
9. United States of America (10,400 immigrants) – 2.3%
10. Syria (8,500 immigrants) – 1.9%

How many of these countries is the US at war with?

Also, don't thank me. Thank the provincial and municipal governments who are exceedingly inefficient and slow in administrative tasks in regards to zoning, permitting, taxation etc., and also the real estate investors who jack up property prices.

I counted 3 and yes I can thank you. It's all about supply and demand my brother. The more immigrants, the less demand, the richer homeowners and landlords get.

 

[TomFord1980]

Here is a breakdown of the top 10 immigrant nationalities to Canada in 2022.

Source:

IRCC unveils the top 10 source countries of new immigrants to Canada in 2022 | CIC News

www.cicnews.com

1. India (118, 095 immigrants) – 27%
2. China (31,815 immigrants) – 7.2%
3. Afghanistan (23,735 immigrants) – 5.4%
4. Nigeria (22,085 immigrants) – 5.05%
5. Philippines (22,070 immigrants) – 5.04%
6. France (14,145 immigrants) – 3.2%
7. Pakistan (11,585 immigrants) – 2.6%
8. Iran (11,105 immigrants) – 2.5%
9. United States of America (10,400 immigrants) – 2.3%
10. Syria (8,500 immigrants) – 1.9%

How many of these countries is the US at war with?

Also, don't thank me. Thank the provincial and municipal governments who are exceedingly inefficient and slow in administrative tasks in regards to zoning, permitting, taxation etc., and also the real estate investors who jack up property prices.

Also wtf is cicnews? Sounds like a liberal propaganda site.

 

[TomFord1980]

Haha, none of the countries on the list are at war with the US. And the majority of immigrants come from countries that have nothing to do with wars. There are more supply side issues that are holding back Canada from meeting demand. Fix that and you'd have enough condos to meet demand.

And you dont know cicnews? It is founded by the immigration law firm Cohen Immigration Law. They also run canadavisa.com forums, which all of us use during immigration for questions etc., These guys are legit.

Sorry, i should have said Proxy wars for those who dont follow geopolitics. And condos are the largest ripoffs known to man. You basically pay two mortgages with the "maintenance fees". But again, they're I'm demand because of immigration.

 

[TomFord1980]

What proxy war is the US engaged in against India for example? Or any of the countries on that list? Also what does US wars have anything to do with Canadian immigration targets? You are not making sense. Immigration is necessary for Canada to have a sustainable and productive population. The demand generated by immigration has to have support on the supply side, which is where the majority of the issues are when it comes to meeting housing demand. Fix the supply side. That is what need fixing.

Maybe they're taking in too many immigrants? Which is what this thread is about.