Climate Change

[canada-man]

Now you don't believe in the entire field of paleoclimatology?
Yet you think you are informed enough to claim either you know more than NASA or that you think NASA is lying to everyone in the world?

franky you are projecting again. i used to post graphs like this






you constantly ignore them and dismissing them ignoring the climate history of Earth and went through cooling and warming periods

 

[canada-man]

Why do you think this is relevant?

so it is ok to preach climate change while doing nothing to reduce your "carbon footprint"?

 

[Frankfooter]

franky you are projecting again. i used to post graphs like this





you constantly ignore them and dismissing them ignoring the climate history of Earth and went through cooling and warming periods

Ok, so lets go with this for a minute.
Can you answer these questions?

1) Are these extreme temperatures linked to ice ages, thermal maximums and also mass extinctions?
2) Mass extinctions have also happened a few times, does that mean they aren't worth worrying about?
3) People died regularly from cigarettes, does that mean we shouldn't worry about them and support smoking them again as well?
4) How many degrees colder is an Ice Age Unit?
5) How many degrees warmer is a thermal maximum?

 

[Frankfooter]

so it is ok to preach climate change while doing nothing to reduce your "carbon footprint"?

Why would you claim I haven't reduced my carbon footprint?
Have you been spying on me or are you trolling?

 

[canada-man]

Why would you claim I haven't reduced my carbon footprint?
Have you been spying on me or are you trolling?

why are you dismissing the hypocrisy of the climate movement. she preach against fossil fuels but won't reduce thier use.

you all remind me of communists on the internet in the early 2000s. they rail against capitalism but won't stop participating in the economy

 

[canada-man]

Ok, so lets go with this for a minute.
Can you answer these questions?

1) Are these extreme temperatures linked to ice ages, thermal maximums and also mass extinctions?
2) Mass extinctions have also happened a few times, does that mean they aren't worth worrying about?
3) People died regularly from cigarettes, does that mean we shouldn't worry about them and support smoking them again as well?
4) How many degrees colder is an Ice Age Unit?
5) How many degrees warmer is a thermal maximum?

those mass extinctions and extreme temperatures are NOT linked to carbon dioxide levels in the Atmosphere.

 

[basketcase]

franky you are projecting again. i used to post graphs like this





you constantly ignore them and dismissing them ignoring the climate history of Earth and went through cooling and warming periods

How many people were on Earth 50 million years ago? Hint, that was millions of years before hominids had evolved (and what's the chance that a climate denier is also an evolution denier?).

 

[canada-man]

How many people were on Earth 50 million years ago? Hint, that was millions of years before hominids had evolved (and what's the chance that a climate denier is also an evolution denier?).

where did i deny evolution? this thread is not about evolution do you have a reading problem? i never mentioned evolution and you crying "climate denier" a propaganda slogan only shows you are easily brainwashed by TV

 

[basketcase]

where did i deny evolution? this thread is not about evolution do you have a reading problem? i never mentioned evolution and you crying "climate denier" a propaganda slogan only shows you are easily brainwashed by TV

I notice you didn't answer my question about what the climate 50 million years ago has to do with the current threats to society. Why would that be?

 

[canada-man]

I notice you didn't answer my question about what the climate 50 million years ago has to do with the current threats to society. Why would that be?

climate constantly changes get used to it

 

[bver_hunter]

Noble Scientist says Climate Change is a Hoax
Blog/Climate
Posted Jul 15, 2023 by Martin Armstrong

Dr. John Clauser, the co-winner of the 2022 Nobel Physics prize has come out and said the whole nonsense of Climate Change caused exclusively by CO2 is an absolute HOAX. Anyone who has ever studied physics cannot possibly conclude otherwise. There is absolutely NOTHING that can ever be reduced to a single cause and effect in anything. It is always a complex dynamic.
Video Player https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/noble-scientist-says-climate-change-is-a-hoax/
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Here is Bill Gates who I would not trust to walk my dog admitting that blaming CO2 is not without dispute. There is just nothing, even in market movements, that can be reduced to a single cause and effect – PERIOD! Perhaps he should have paid attention in physics class, assuming he took it.
One of our clients was one of the top 5 Australian mining companies. Their CFO lost more than $50 million in the currency. They ordered him to meet with me. He knew my track record and said perhaps it was just a coincidence. Finally, I asked him what his background was. He hesitated and said physics. I said GREAT! Now look at the market through the Second Law of Thermodynamics. His jaw dropped and said – OMG, there has to be a cycle. I said you got it.
Heat always moves from hotter objects to colder objects (or “downhill”), unless energy in some form is supplied to reverse the direction of heat flow.
The second law of thermodynamics establishes the concept of entropy as a physical property of a thermodynamic system.
Human activity cannot possibly create a one-way street that is the typical linear analysis that if the temperature rises by 1 degree per year, then in 50 years we will be all dead. That is like saying since the stock market rose 1,000 points this year, it continue to do so for the next 50 years. It is just an absurdity and thereby it is a HOAX for nobody in their right mind would ever make such an honest forecast of this nature. According to all this nonsense, we should have been dead by now.
Greta Thunberg deleted a 2018 tweet about the urgency of addressing climate change. Her tweet included a quote from an article that said an influential scientist warned climate change “will wipe out all humanity” unless fossil fuel use was ended “over the next five years.” Some have said that Great misquoted him since he claimed he never made such comments. Anyway, we are still alive – thank you linear analysis.


How to Gain Control Over the Most Intelligent Species on the Planet (video)
Blog/Great Reset https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/...most-intelligent-species-on-the-planet-video/
Posted Jul 15, 2023 by Martin Armstrong


The origins to the Davos/Reset end to this framework were always ‘shifty’. The concept’s originator was never Team Schwab,but David Rockefeller, Chair of Chase Manhattan Bank, and his protégé (and later Klaus Schwab’s ‘indispensable adviser’), Maurice Strong.
William Engdahl has written how “circles directly tied to David Rockefeller in the 1970s launched a dazzling array of élite organizations and think tanks. These included the neo-Malthusian Club of Rome; the MIT-authored study, ‘Limits to Growth’; and the Trilateral Commission”:
“In 1971 the Club of Rome published a deeply flawed report, Limits to Growth, which predicted an end to civilization, owing to population growth combined with depleting resources. That was 1971. In 1973, Klaus Schwab at his third annual Davos, presented Limits to Growth as his [vision for the future], to the assembled corporate CEOs. In 1974, the Club of Rome’s Turning Point, subsequently argued that ‘Interdependence must translate as a decrease in independence’: Now is the time to draw up a master plan [for] a new global economic system.
It was Maurice Strong, Rockefeller’s protégé, as Chair of the 1972 Earth Day UN Stockholm Conference, [who] promoted an economic strategy of population reductionand lowering of living standards around the world to ‘savethe environment’. As Secretary General of the UN Rio Conference, Strong commissioned the report from the Club of Rome which admitted that the CO2 global warming claim was merely an invented ruse to force change: The real enemy is humanity itself – whose behaviour was to be changed. President Clinton’s delegate to Rio, Tim Wirth, admitted the same, stating, “We have got to ride the globalwarming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the ‘right thing’ in terms of economic policy”.

Three Laureates share this year’s Nobel Prize in Physics for their studies of complex phenomena. Syukuro Manabe and Klaus Hasselmann laid the foundation of our knowledge of the Earth’s climate and how humanity influences it. Giorgio Parisi is rewarded for his revolutionary contributions to the theory of disordered and random phenomena.

They found hidden patterns in the climate and in other complex phenomena
All complex systems consist of many different inter-acting parts. They have been studied by physicists for a couple of centuries, and can be difficult to describe mathematically – they may have an enormous number of components or be governed by chance. They could also be chaotic, like the weather, where small deviations in initial values result in huge differences at a later stage. This year’s Laureates have all contributed to us gaining greater knowledge of such systems and their long-term development.

The Earth’s climate is one of many examples of complex systems. Manabe and Hasselmann are awarded the Nobel Prize for their pioneering work on developing climate models. Parisi is rewarded for his theoretical solutions to a vast array of problems in the theory of complex systems.

Nobel Prize in Physics 2021

The Nobel Prize in Physics 2021 was awarded "for groundbreaking contributions to our understanding of complex physical systems" with one half jointly to Syukuro Manabe and Klaus Hasselmann "for the physical modelling of Earth’s climate, quantifying variability and reliably predicting global...

www.nobelprize.org

 

[toguy5252]

another one who is brainwashed by TV propaganda


during the


crying "denying climate change " is a propaganda slogan used to shut down debate




newspaper clippings are archived by newspapers all over the U.S and canada they are available for anyone to read them

the earth's climate is NOT static can you point to anytime on earth's history where the climate was stable?


what is the best average temperature for earth?

The debate was over a long time ago.

 

[JohnLarue]

The debate was over a long time ago.

not by a long shot
scientific debate is ongoing and never settled
if you had any scientific understanding you would know this

 

[Frankfooter]

why are you dismissing the hypocrisy of the climate movement. she preach against fossil fuels but won't reduce thier use.

you all remind me of communists on the internet in the early 2000s. they rail against capitalism but won't stop participating in the economy

The greenwashing is boring.
I'm sure you'd want people to stop breathing as well so they don't release CO2 or you'd count them as hypocrites.

those mass extinctions and extreme temperatures are NOT linked to carbon dioxide levels in the Atmosphere.

Some are, one from an asteroid and one from a volcano.
The point is that temperature moves with CO2 levels and you haven't explained why you think that because it also happens naturally its ok to make it happen intentionally.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1680641218131398658

 

[Frankfooter]

not by a long shot
scientific debate is ongoing and never settled
if you had any scientific understanding you would know this

You have zero scientific understanding and still don't believe the greenhouse effect exists and can effect the climate.

We are now adding the equivalent of 14.64 Hiroshima's in heat to the ocean every second.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1680739522462752770

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Finally a voice of reason. Interviewee is Bjørn Lomborg, who is President of the think tank Copenhagen Consensus Center & former Director of the Danish government's Environmental Assessment Institute in Copenhagen.

Important points at:

02:44 - Bjorn's Take on Climate Change
08:30 - Is Climate Change Killing People?!
38:56 - Solutions?
01:01:12 Why You Shouldn't Worry About Climate "Crisis"
01:05:04 - Is Biden or Trump Better?
01:08:59 - Conclusion

 

[Frankfooter]

Finally a voice of reason. Interviewee is Bjørn Lomborg, who is President of the think tank Copenhagen Consensus Center & former Director of the Danish government's Environmental Assessment Institute in Copenhagen.

Important points at:

02:44 - Bjorn's Take on Climate Change
08:30 - Is Climate Change Killing People?!
38:56 - Solutions?
01:01:12 Why You Shouldn't Worry About Climate "Crisis"
01:05:04 - Is Biden or Trump Better?
01:08:59 - Conclusion

Lomborg is a paid oil&gas industry lobbyist spreading disinformation for money.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1681385699415556107

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1682193509477146624

 

[bob2613]

Finally a voice of reason. Interviewee is Bjørn Lomborg, who is President of the think tank Copenhagen Consensus Center & former Director of the Danish government's Environmental Assessment Institute in Copenhagen.

Important points at:

02:44 - Bjorn's Take on Climate Change
08:30 - Is Climate Change Killing People?!
38:56 - Solutions?
01:01:12 Why You Shouldn't Worry About Climate "Crisis"
01:05:04 - Is Biden or Trump Better?
01:08:59 - Conclusion

I don't usually comment on this subject on here but bjorn lomborg?? seriously...lomborg!!??? A political economist with no peer reviewed publications on climate science - which is all physics based - who cherry picks small chunks of data to buttress his agenda. A debate is great and useful but if it starts from a point of ignorance ....kind of a waste of time

 

[oil&gas]

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38:56 - Solutions?

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Depletion of Earth's economic fossil fuel resources is one solution
that would surely eliminate the source of carbon pollution for future
generation. Just continue driving your gas guzzlers.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I don't usually comment on this subject on here but bjorn lomborg?? seriously...lomborg!!??? A political economist with no peer reviewed publications on climate science - which is all physics based - who cherry picks small chunks of data to buttress his agenda. A debate is great and useful but if it starts from a point of ignorance ....kind of a waste of time

You're right, we should listen to these people instead