Homeless/junkie solution?

bazokajoe

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you did..in your post#10
Yes I did, my mistake.
By happiness I meant content to stay on the streets.
Happiness is the same as content.
They sure seem to bitch to reporters when they get kicked out of parks. So must enjoy living their and no desire to improve their situation.
 

y2kmark

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Home for homeless junkies - Square dancing, macrame. Build it next door to Doug Ford...
 

ogibowt

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Yes I did, my mistake.
By happiness I meant content to stay on the streets.
Happiness is the same as content.
They sure seem to bitch to reporters when they get kicked out of parks. So must enjoy living their and no desire to improve their situation.
your backpedalling is courageous
 

ogibowt

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Maybe this thread needs to lighten up a bit...imo....a great R&B song
 

angrymime666

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Its the other way around, billionaires are stealing our money through controlling how much people are paid, how much they have to pay for food/lodging and how much housing costs.
They can buy supreme court judges and politicians like DoFo to change the rules of the game to their favour.

yes companies do control what people are paid. what is wrong with that? compensation is based on skills and performance. if someone is a cashier its an easily replaceable position which should be compensated minimally. opposite to a skilled person who is in high demand can negotiate better wages.

the market dictates prices. a shortage of housing means a premium for housing. if the market gets flooded with housing then the market would have more options and landlords would have to lower their rent to attract tenants.

as for politicians this isnt anything new. money can and will buy influence. cons, libs, ndp they all are influenced. thats just like low income people will never change.

there will always be the bottom people getting fucked and the top fucking. equality is a bullshit socialist dream in candy land.
 

Frankfooter

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yes companies do control what people are paid. what is wrong with that? compensation is based on skills and performance. if someone is a cashier its an easily replaceable position which should be compensated minimally. opposite to a skilled person who is in high demand can negotiate better wages.

the market dictates prices. a shortage of housing means a premium for housing. if the market gets flooded with housing then the market would have more options and landlords would have to lower their rent to attract tenants.

as for politicians this isnt anything new. money can and will buy influence. cons, libs, ndp they all are influenced. thats just like low income people will never change.

there will always be the bottom people getting fucked and the top fucking. equality is a bullshit socialist dream in candy land.
Yes and governments can control the markets, that's their job.
Without government and activism we wouldn't have public schools, health care or any social services.

The question is whether the government listens to rich donors or the voters, you appear to think that they shouldn't listen to voters.
The feds shut down the entire country, governments can change things.
 

xix

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La la land
Homeless / junkie have been around since the beginning of time.

AS preachers, scammers, people who help others and destroyers of everything. Let's not forget SP's they been around for a long time. I don't mind.
 

NotADcotor

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Absolutely agree.

To make america great again, like some people seem to want, well you need to make sure anyone can have a proper roof on a low salary. If by working 40h a week your are guaranteed a roof all will be fine.

Otherwise be ready to see much more riot, looters, criminality, etc...
1000 bucks to rent a room, I know someone who does that in the Scar for quite a bit less
500 for food but its less for me
Say another 500 for a bus pass, and the nudie bar... you know essentials.
Minimum wage at 15K, minus taxes. Done.
As employers are still begging for workers I guess all those homeless people will just shrug off their disabling mental illnesses and severe addictions and get to work.
You shit out kids, the government gives you an extra what is it, 6K a year?

Oh wait, no shit ain't like that. Homeless maternal fuckers are still around. Criminal scumbags still prey on innocent folk.

I'd hazard a guess that most riots, criminality etc are actually from people who have places to stay.
"At first you may think that the tough times of the Great Depression would cause people to turn to crime, however, that wasn't necessarily the case. Although there aren't a lot of crime statistics from the era, most historians agree that crime rates did not increase during the Great Depression. Some suggest that crime even went down. This may have been because so many people were hard up, they were less likely to steal from each other. "
And remember, back then the wealfare net was much weaker as was wealth levels in general.

There is absolutely no poverty based reason to riot and engage in crime, it's just a bullshit justification to excuse shit behavior and justify expanded government programs. It's rather dishonest like claiming "support the troops" isn't actually "shut the fuck up about the war". If you want to justify an expansion of the social welfare state, maybe provide real reasons, this whole we have to give criminal scumbags money or they will rob us is just bullshit. It's also justifying extortion. Instead of giving in to extortion, arrest or even shoot the mother fuckers. Extortion is a scumbag thing when the Mafia does, it is when people who are not in criminal orgs do it also.
If you need some help in a more morally sound and honest approach in advocating for a bigger welfare state may I suggest
He teaches out of UoT so his books should be avalable at your local library, if not, than via inter library loan.


Oh I know. TO solve the homeless situation, lets completely decriminalize prostitution and bring in medical prostitution for fat dudes. Mandate that all libraries have full collections of pen and paper RPG books and provide places to play with snacks. Yeah.. sure that will solve the problem.
 
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Hands95

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CERB reduced poverty.
DoFo cutting services, health care, mental health care, LTR and transit funding increased poverty.
CERB was done all wrong. NO ONE should have made a penny more on CERB than when they were working. And CERB went on far too long. All this fast, free, money and you wonder why inflation has gone up?
 

Hands95

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Its income disparity.
Time for higher wages and the UBI.
Nope. UBI is just a fancy way of saying welfare. Money has to come from somewhere. And who determines what amount UBI would be? Would it be the same in Toronto and in Dryden? Why or why not?
 
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richaceg

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Yes and governments can control the markets, that's their job.
Without government and activism we wouldn't have public schools, health care or any social services.

The question is whether the government listens to rich donors or the voters, you appear to think that they shouldn't listen to voters.
The feds shut down the entire country, governments can change things.
So you're saying, Trudeau is shitting the bed? it's his government...
 

jalimon

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CERB was done all wrong. NO ONE should have made a penny more on CERB than when they were working. And CERB went on far too long. All this fast, free, money and you wonder why inflation has gone up?
This I need to say that I now agree with you. I lost like 4 or 5 employees during early pandemic because they wanted to stay home and collect CERB. I hired a dozen employee from the Philippines who are now still with us. They cost us in a month what a one week salary would be here. And they are good.

I wish the pandemic never happened but they are a few things we will learn from it.

- if you can do your job at home it can be done from anywhere. Which includes countries where salary are 1/10th of what is needed here to make a living
- city downtown will need to convert many many commercial buildings to residential to survive
- inequalities will destroy great nation like America
 
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