I know Engineering programs in Canada have made huge efforts to encourage women, indigenous, and black students to get in but didn't change any of their entry requirements. Instead they engaged in outreach programs to connect with and mentor youth from those targeted groups to help them overcome perceptions and systemic issues. In my mind, that's a much better way to do it. On the down side, it requires actual effort, resources, and money put into programs that don't have a guaranteed return so it's unlikely to be implemented in any large scale system.
Affirmative Action
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That prevalent notion you refer to is usually propounded by people who are trying to preserve the position of white males and often white christian males.
"One of the plaintiffs in today’s case argued that Harvard’s affirmative action policy discriminated against Asian students.
Yukong Zhao, president of the Asian American Coalition for Education, says he agrees.
His group was one of several Asian American organisations who publicly supported the case against affirmative action.
“Today is a great day for Asian Americans and all Americans,” Zhao said outside the court.
“This decision will preserve meritocracy, which is the bedrock of the American dream."
Zhao says he supports more funding for K-12 education, and more support for Black and Hispanic students. But affirmative action, he says, made Asian Americans “second class citizens”.
American education will now be “colour blind”, he said."
Yukong Zhao, president of the Asian American Coalition for Education, says he agrees.
His group was one of several Asian American organisations who publicly supported the case against affirmative action.
“Today is a great day for Asian Americans and all Americans,” Zhao said outside the court.
“This decision will preserve meritocracy, which is the bedrock of the American dream."
Zhao says he supports more funding for K-12 education, and more support for Black and Hispanic students. But affirmative action, he says, made Asian Americans “second class citizens”.
American education will now be “colour blind”, he said."
"Summary
- The US Supreme Court has ruled that universities cannot consider a prospective student's race when deciding admission
- The ruling ends a decades-long practice of affirmative action where universities could take race into account in order to improve diversity
- The cases concerned admissions at Harvard and the University of North Carolina and will impact admissions rules nationwide
- Affirmative action first made its way into policy in the 1960s, as many all-white schools began admitting minority students
- The court has six conservative-leaning justices while three were appointed by Democratic presidents"
Although its been years since I was a student at UofT (I was there for one year), I can assure you I see a lot of Asian (Chinese, East Indians, etc.) on campus when I pass by.
BTW: My roommate at McGill was ethnic Chinese from Singapore. He is still ethnic Chinese but he's back in Singapore. His daughter is living in our coach house when attending UofT during the school year.
"Canada’s university admission system does not generally use race-based or gender-based affirmative action; however, as a Globe and Mail article comparing our system to the US points out, many professional schools are not reflective of the population and lack diversity."
Maclean's "Too Asian" controversy - Wikipedia
BTW: My roommate at McGill was ethnic Chinese from Singapore. He is still ethnic Chinese but he's back in Singapore. His daughter is living in our coach house when attending UofT during the school year.
"Canada’s university admission system does not generally use race-based or gender-based affirmative action; however, as a Globe and Mail article comparing our system to the US points out, many professional schools are not reflective of the population and lack diversity."
Maclean's "Too Asian" controversy - Wikipedia
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Legacy is more about money. The minute you are out the door, diploma in hand, the college or university is "in touch" begging for money and it's the financial supporters kids who have "legacy" status. Follow the money...
When I was there the goal was 15% international students. Wow, it is now up to 30%. Mind you, foreign students pay "full fare".
THE ranks McGill as one of the world's most international universities - McGill Reporter
THE ranks McGill as one of the world's most international universities - McGill Reporter
It pays to have successful alumnus (check sp).
University ‘mega’ donations of more than $10-million are on the rise - The Globe and Mail
University of Toronto receives single largest gift in Canadian history from James and Louise Temerty to support advances in human health and health care | University of Toronto (utoronto.ca)
you are correct
participation / leadership in team sports, charitable work, military service, membership in a chamber of commerce are factors which can be used into determining the best candidate for admission to a university or a job etc.
but race is not one of the factors
just as race should not be a factor in judging the character of an individual
Then again, the idea that admission should be (positively) influenced by an ancestor having attended the same university is even more meaningless.
Basing admissions solely on marks has the obvious benefit of ruling out nepotism, race, gender etc.
Legacies simply insure that schools remain the domain of "our kind of people".
Why would you want to exclude race, gender and many other criteria. Not sure why I have to keep repeating that marks alone do not make the best candidate for anything and marks today are culturally biased.
I think that there's a term for ascribing a particular trait or attribute of one's character to an entire race. Regardless if that trait is positive or negative, a label is being placed on an entire race.
Do you know what that term is? You should, because you do it all the time and that's why so many other posters question your character.
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It's an interesting debate if people are willing to debate objectively and intelligently.
Are Jews Smarter Than Everyone Else?
Are Jews Smarter Than Everyone Else? - PMC (nih.gov)
A Jewish Gene for Intelligence? - Scientific American
Opinion | The Secrets of Jewish Genius - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
The 2011 Nobel Prize and the Debate over Jewish IQ | American Enterprise Institute - AEI
Are Jews Smarter Than Everyone Else?
Are Jews Smarter Than Everyone Else? - PMC (nih.gov)
A Jewish Gene for Intelligence? - Scientific American
Opinion | The Secrets of Jewish Genius - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
The 2011 Nobel Prize and the Debate over Jewish IQ | American Enterprise Institute - AEI
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Canadian universities get less funding now and need to rely on foreign students full tuition.
If you want enrolment based on merit you need to make sure the system gives all students the same tools and chances to study first.
In the US that means more funding for public schools so those kids get the educations that allow them to apply based on merit, not on whether their parents could afford tutors or private school.
One of the few right decisions for this guy. I don't think Amerikkka was ready for affirmative action. Substantial probability of getting more Uncle Thomases, so better to pause the whole thing...
So you ignore the comment above from last year proving you wrong but come back to this thread over six months later to spout more racism? It’s ridiculous how much of a coward you are
You really need to re-visit your opinion. IQ (intelligence) is correlated with later success in life. There are also obviously many other factors such as motivation, luck & grit. Personal anecdotes is not data. Also, your Einstein example is about EXPERIENCE, not IQ. Experience matters. In addition, you can also have no education (it does help for IQ later in life) yet have a high IQ, don't confuse the two.
Left-leaning publication - IQ is correlated with career success and wealth, but not necessarily happiness
IQ, explained in 9 charts
Intelligence can predict your risk of death, and 8 other smart facts about IQ.
Higher IQ is related to longer life expectancy
Research Confirms a Link between Intelligence and Life Expectancy
The reasons are unclear, but higher IQ is correlated with longer life span
11 Uncomfortable Facts About How IQ Affects Your Life
11 Uncomfortable Facts About How IQ Affects Your Life
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There are a lot of papers out there that contradict your opinion.
