The Ukrainian offensive starts
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I wonder what the actual deal was. Russia had nothing between Wagner and Moscow and Putin isn't known for letting enemies live.
Its been said on terb that the FSB have been visiting Wagner family members.
I suppose some family members of important people lived on upper floors wink wink nudge nudge say no more.
Poutine was in the KGB after all.
Also Perogie lives... for now.
I hope you're not losing any sleep of Putin losing his shit, or should I say scared shitless and hiding in his bunker??
Addy, keep listening to this tonight, it will help you sleep buddy.
Also been mentioned that Wagner had this planned for a couple weeks. You'd think their planning would include moving their family somewhere safe.
I think you know it's more complicated than that. It's a globalized conflict that is pulling in a lot of support from different power spheres around the world. I just don't romanticize the war and have been criticized by it here and elsewhere. Not because I don't support the Ukrainian people, but because I don't think this war can be sustained indefinitely by international non-combatants contributing materiel.
You must realize that when Russia invaded Crimea under the Obama Administration that the Administration wrote Russia off as a feckless threat to global security. Now you know my political leanings, but I actually thought the Obama Administration take on things was correct in 2014. I have no reason to believe that Russia can be an effective threat to global security other than they can beat up on some tribal factions in the Mideast if not contested by the West and they can chew off a few kilometres of their neighbor's territories. Oh, the Russians can also blow up a lot of the world if they choose. But, beyond that they are not a strategic threat to global security.
Frank, are you seriously that lost on our forum relationship? Backhanded?
I directly counter you "mano a mano" whenever I come across your disinformation and have the time. "Have the time" is the operative phrase because your posting habits or should I say your copying and pasting habits are so prolific it's hard to keep up. I suspect this is just one of many social media sites where you spreading this propaganda.
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I think everyone's regardless of their political leanings knows that Frank feels compels to post on almost every political topic. In regards to me specifically, he seems compelled to contradict anything and everything regardless of context and what's being discussed. Hmm, I wonder where he picked that up from?
Anyhow, if someone always pops up eager and willing to respond and contradict with not a lot of context........yeah, they should expect to get it back.
In any event, where were you when a member was calling everyone who disagreed with him "flaming gay" and "rump pirates"? I think many of us would say if you think you are standing up for principles, you have to stand up even when it isn't so easy. By the way, your man Frank said it was cool for him to use those slurs because his gay friends would agree with his views. Try figuring that one out.
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That's possible, but it doesn't seem likely that the documents were handled all that differently.
I believe the 31 charges are parts of one crime. I think U.S. prosecutors and especially special counsels are a bit prone to theatrics. I think if Trump is found guilty the punishment will likely be for one action of willfully retaining national defense information, but more importantly it will combined with the actions cited in the other six charges,
Willfully retaining national defense information in itself doesn't seem like a big deal. It's the other actions after he was asked to return such documents that make the case compelling.
Sorry for the delay. but I have been detained. But yes, the Harvard Law Review and several other legal journals state exactly that prosecutors find that juries are influenced by the number of charges and engage in "charge stacking". In the Trump case, you also have the prosecutors influenced by the media spectacle.
I'm sorry that I mentioned "something in the Harvard Law Review". I generally don't genuflect to attorneys in my professional life and certainly don't to attorneys on social media.
Like this?
You proved my point.
There are 37 charges, I assume you're referring to 1-31 which are all related to different sets of documents.
If rump stole 31 cars would you say its only one case of theft or 31?
You don't think the prosecutor would have to prove each one was there and wasn't rump's?
Like you think these are the same level of crime?
Count 5 - Document dated June 2020 concerning nuclear capabilities of a foreign country.
Count 15 - Document dated Feb 202 concerning policies in a foreign country.
You think those aren't worth discussing separately?
That they might warrant different punishments?
Wyatt, you can quote an academic writing a 1-off article in a law review as much as you want. I'm telling you what real attorneys actually do.
You obsessively harass Frankie and disparage him whenever you can. People read those posts and think less of you. And then they read your pompous self-justifications..... How do you think it makes you look?
The thing is it's not a 1-off article. You can do an internet search on "charge stacking" and several articles from reliable legal publications will appear.Wyatt, you can quote an academic writing a 1-off article in a law review as much as you want. I'm telling you what real attorneys actually do.
You can deem all 37 counts to be fair and necessary. And that would be an opinion. However, you can't emphatically say charge stacking does not exist as you did.
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Obsessive would mean that I go look for Frank's posts to pick an argument with him and try to disparage him. I don't. I could be commenting on almost anything and Frank will voila instantly appear to try to contradict. I will say his responses come from a more genuine place than anger.
Now, calling someone a "flaming gay" is an attempt to disparage. That might have been a good time for some members to stop being tribal. On the other hand, being called a "a shade of Marxist" can quickly and easily be countered with a few sound bites like "No, I believe in free enterprise and free markets. There should be limits to government's role in the economy."
As I said many, many times..........several members will not engage with Frank and have openly said so. And I am the bad guy.
