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Its offical : Transphobia is here to stay!

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Butler1000

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Cool.

Answer the important part.

Is this your actual opinion on the matter?

" In the case of kids and adolescents its wrong to start puberty blocking or make any diagnosis at that age. "

If so.
What is "an adolescent" to you?
What is a "diagnosis" to you?

Because that statement can mean quite different things depending on how you define those.
The dictionary definitions work.
 

Valcazar

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You don’t get to claim you are looking at the “bigger picture of mass murder” and then only focus on “4 or 5”. That’s not how this works.
Of course he thinks that's how this works.
Whipping up this kind of attack is a powerful political propaganda and recruitment tool.

Also, one of the core notions of the ideology - "We can do things to you. You can't do things to us."
 

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Of course he thinks that's how this works.
Whipping up this kind of attack is a powerful political propaganda and recruitment tool.

Also, one of the core notions of the ideology - "We can do things to you. You can't do things to us."
Well, they've done, didn't they?
Must make you positively giddy.
 

Valcazar

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The dictionary definitions work.
LOL

You got shy all of a sudden?

You seem very serious about your position, please posit what you actually mean by it.

WHO defines it as 10-19, so... what are you actually talking about here?
 

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When was the last time the police released the manifesto of a shooter?

Serious question.

I know a lot of shooters posted their manifestos online, so the news reported about them or they just circulated in general, but how often have the police released one they found at the scene?

I honestly don't know the answer but I would be curious because whether or not this situation is being treated differently is a legitimate question.
The only reason the FBI won't release the Manifesto, is because the shooter was a transgender. Releasing the Manifesto, goes against the democrat narrative.
 

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Exactly like the cries of "Islamophobia " on 9/11. Trying to play the victim card while the bodies were still smoking.
Not only you're an ideologue, you're an amnesiac, too. I remember very well, on Sep.11, driving to UofT ; the trip happened to take me by the local mosque that was surrounded by the cop cars and the crowds of Muslims standing outside or trying to get into the parking lot... and the constant droning on the news about possible retribution. The Building $7 didn't come down until I hit Queen and Spadina, btw.
 

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LOL

You got shy all of a sudden?

You seem very serious about your position, please posit what you actually mean by it.

WHO defines it as 10-19, so... what are you actually talking about here?
Its all there. No more need to continue.
 

Valcazar

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The only reason the FBI won't release the Manifesto, is because the shooter was a transgender. Releasing the Manifesto, goes against the democrat narrative.
So you should be able to show me a bunch of times the FBI released the manifestos in the past, right?
 

Butler1000

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OK, so no trans "diagnosis" until 19?
And no puberty blockers ever, since by 19 everyone has hit puberty?

That's your view on the matter?
Seems to me you are having trouble still. If you go back to read it its all there.
 

bver_hunter

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You really didn't read anything I said did you?

Here.....

Members of the gay community are speaking up saying that people saying they are trans as youths may well just be confused and gay. That they may be mistaking simple feminine traits in men as gender disphoria when they are just plain ol' gay. And that its better to wait until adulthood when they have had a chance to experience sex and life before going so far as to prescribe puberty blockers and hormones which will make things worse.

As well it should be noted the surgery does pretty much sterilize people. And is irreversible. So far better to wait and get it right.

So it has nothing to do with gay rights or status. Its about common sense. Coming from people who have been there.
Did you read what I stated? You are just discussing a very tiny minority of gays that may agree with you. Again not many youths go through Gender-Affirming Surgery. It is only after they have reached the age of consent, meaning 18 years old then it becomes their choice to do so. In extenuating circumstances and with the parents consent some of them do go through such a surgery, but they are normally around the 16 year mark. Those who identify themselves as transgender are much more likely to commit or attempt to commit suicide than gays, bisexuals or lesbians. Around 45% of them have attempted to do so. Many of these are youth or below 18 years old and that is a concern to their parents. Hence when they go through the Gender-Affirming Surgery, then they are very much less likely to even consider committing suicide:


For once go with the actual Science and Research rather than some right wing prejudices against these transgenders!!
 

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Did you read what I stated? You are just discussing a very tiny minority of gays that may agree with you. Again not many youths go through Gender-Affirming Surgery. It is only after they have reached the age of consent, meaning 18 years old then it becomes their choice to do so. In extenuating circumstances and with the parents consent some of them do go through such a surgery, but they are normally around the 16 year mark. Those who identify themselves as transgender are much more likely to commit or attempt to commit suicide than gays, bisexuals or lesbians. Around 45% of them have attempted to do so. Many of these are youth or below 18 years old and that is a concern to their parents. Hence when they go through the Gender-Affirming Surgery, then they are very much less likely to even consider committing suicide:


For once go with the actual Science and Research rather than some right wing prejudices against these transgenders!!
It isn't a tiny minority. Amongst my gay friends they say thats the majority view. And filling their heads with notions that they are trans and not gay is part of the problem.
 

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It isn't a tiny minority. Amongst my gay friends they say thats the majority view. And filling their heads with notions that they are trans and not gay is part of the problem.
That is total BS. Once they identify themselves as transgender even when they are in their early teens the research indicates that the vast majority of them will desire to stay transgender in their adulthood!!

The research involved 317 youngsters who were 3 to 12 years old when they were recruited to the study. Five years later, at the study’s end, 94 percent were living as transgender and almost two-thirds were using either puberty-blocking medication or sex hormones to medically transition.
 
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That is total BS. Once they identify themselves as transgender even when they are in their early teens the research indicates that the vast majority of them will desire to stay transgender in their adulthood!!
Other research says otherwise. Some one earlier in the thread pointed to up to 90% realize they are just plain ol gay.

So in my humble opinion better to wait, diagnose via recognized testing(which actually takes years) before cutting off genitalia and changing body chemistry. Because there is no reversal and its surgical sterilization of people.

Quite simply the study only covers those who had it, and not the ones who realized they weren't with age, maturity and proper councilling. And those are the ones I'm discussing.
 

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That is total BS. Once they identify themselves as transgender even when they are in their early teens the research indicates that the vast majority of them will desire to stay transgender in their adulthood!!
The fact these hacks think a 3 year old is capable of this decision making says it all. But thanks for confirming for people like basketcase that indeed children are being subjected to this.
 

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Other research says otherwise. Some one earlier in the thread pointed to up to 90% realize they are just plain ol gay.

So in my humble opinion better to wait, diagnose via recognized testing(which actually takes years) before cutting off genitalia and changing body chemistry. Because there is no reversal and its surgical sterilization of people.

Quite simply the study only covers those who had it, and not the ones who realized they weren't with age, maturity and proper councilling. And those are the ones I'm discussing.
I go by the real Research conducted by some Proper Scientific Institutions and not those from some Fundamental Groups that have that bias against the Transgenders!!
 

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The fact these hacks think a 3 year old is capable of this decision making says it all. But thanks for confirming for people like basketcase that indeed children are being subjected to this.
Does not mean that the 3 year olds were subjected to the puberty blocking or hormones. Most in the study were probably in the 12 year old bracket. So when they reach the age of 16 to 17 they were more likely to be the ones subjected to these medication. However, none of them underwent the surgery. Thanks for agreeing on that fact!!
 
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