Million Immigrants in 2022 - Thanks Fidel

JohnLarue

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Lets stay focused on your actual issue. Lets not digress talking about healthcare, housing or your moral outrage over a meme.
healthcare, housing are inter-related to immigration independent of your preference to avoid the topics

injecting them into the discussion is not free license for you to call anyone a raciest
 

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healthcare, housing are inter-related to immigration independent of your preference to avoid the topics

injecting them into the discussion is not free license for you to call anyone a raciest
I will not debate those topics with someone who injected race into the topic by calling me anti-white.
 

JohnLarue

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You defaulted to race. I simply said the anglo-saxon nature of Canada will change as a result to mean that there will be social changes and you immediately jumped and attributed race to it and said I was trying to socially engineer changes. Its your fault not mine.
but your objectives are social engineering

it is the reason you are rejecting sound economic policy
the only other excuse is ... blunt stupidity
 

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but your objectives are social engineering

it is the reason you are rejecting sound economic policy
the only other excuse is ... blunt stupidity
That was your accusation. Not my insinuation.
 

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but your objectives are social engineering

it is the reason you are rejecting sound economic policy
the only other excuse is ... blunt stupidity
Right wing policies have made it more expensive to have kids.
So now people have less kids.
Which means we need more immigrants.

What's your answer?
More right wing policy..
 
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JohnLarue

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I will not debate those topics with someone who injected race into the topic by calling me anti-white.

you do not get to pick and choose discussion topics
you get to
1. run away
2. put him on ignore (run away in reality)
3. realize healthcare, housing are inter-related to immigration independent of your preference to avoid the topics & defend your desire of 10 miilion immigrants in the context of healthcare, housing

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue
 

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That was your accusation. Not my insinuation.
it is the reality of your indefensible position

your objectives are social engineering

it is the reason you are rejecting sound economic policy
the only other excuse is ... blunt stupidity
 

krealtarron

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you do not get to pick and choose discussion topics
you get to
1. run away
2. put him on ignore (run away in reality)
3. realize healthcare, housing are inter-related to immigration independent of your preference to avoid the topics & defend your desire of 10 miilion immigrants in the context of healthcare, housing

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue
I get to pick and choose what topics I debate and with whom I debate them. I do not owe any responses to racists other than to dismiss them entirely.
 
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krealtarron

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it is the reality of your indefensible position

your objectives are social engineering

it is the reason you are rejecting sound economic policy
the only other excuse is ... blunt stupidity
It is your accusation, not my insinuation.

What you consider "sound economic policy" is in reality a self contradicting argument that both argues for and against using the same fact.
 

Frankfooter

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it is the reality of your indefensible position

your objectives are social engineering

it is the reason you are rejecting sound economic policy
the only other excuse is ... blunt stupidity
Its social engineering to allow the demographics to change without immigration as well.
Its just you won't have anyone to keep paying your old age pension.
 
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Again that is not what I asked. I asked for specific positions.
again, i do not care what specifics you asked for, you question was addressed

53% of businesses have skilled labor shortages is a vague non specific statements.
WTF 53& of Canadian small and medium business is not vague
it is more than half n

any rational person would agree 53& of Canadian small and medium business willing to forgo investment because of a skilled labor shortage is a problem
ot even a vague problem , it is a problem for our economy

What specific skilled labor positions?
the ones in demand by Canadian small and medium business

How many?
53%of Canadian small and medium business

Out of the total immigrants coming here, how many have the skills to fill those specific positions?
all of immigrants coming here without a job offer in place apparently do not have the required skills... or they would have a job offer

you really need to start thinking for yourself soon

Out of the 1M, discount the students and others without work visas. Amongst the PRs and people with work visas, how many were absorbed into other industries? Again specific numbers. Not vague statements
.

all of immigrants coming here without a job offer in place apparently do not have the required skills... or they would have a job offer


the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue
 

JohnLarue

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I get to pick and choose what topics I debate and with whom I debate them. I do not owe any responses to racists other than to dismiss them entirely.
if you are unwilling to refute the claims that higher immigration is exacerbating our housing shortage and strain our already strained health care system, then the facts stand on face value

higher immigration is exacerbating our housing shortage and strain our already strained health care system
both sound arguments for dialing back immigration and increasing the importance of having a job offer as an acceptance criteria


the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue
 

krealtarron

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WTF 53& of Canadian small and medium business is not vague
You are not understanding the question. 53% of Canadian small and medium business means what? What are the specific positions that are short staffed?

For example, lets take a restaurant. What is the position in a restaurant that is short staffed? Is it shortage of chefs? Bus boys? Restaurant managers?

Which of these and how many of these positions are short staffed? Of the 1M immigrants, how many of them have these necessary skills and aren't taking up jobs in these positions?

Unless you can answer that, you do not have the data to make an assertion.

all of immigrants coming here without a job offer in place apparently do not have the required skills... or they would have a job offer
That is an incredibly stupid statement to make.

Canadian employers DO NOT, and I repeat DO NOT, interview or give offers to people who are not PHYSICALLY PRESENT in Canada. It DOES NOT happen.

Immigrants will come here, apply, interview and get jobs. So a job offer pre-requisite is neither necessary nor makes any sense.

I have one more question:

What if an immigrant comes here with a necessary skill to fill one of the short staffed jobs, but simply decides to do something else? You know free country and all?

So out of the 1M immigrants how many decided to switch careers? Give me specific numbers.
 

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if you are unwilling to refute the claims that higher immigration is exacerbating our housing shortage and strain our already strained health care system, then the facts stand on face value

higher immigration is exacerbating our housing shortage and strain our already strained health care system
both sound arguments for dialing back immigration and increasing the importance of having a job offer as an acceptance criteria


the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue
I will repeat.

I get to pick and choose what topics I debate and with whom I debate them. I do not owe any responses to racists other than to dismiss them entirely.

PS: You are responding to my response to another person. Lets keep our discussion to only one thread.
 

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You are not understanding the question.
sure i did, it is your attempt to avoid the facts

53% of Canadian small and medium business means what?
it means more than half of Canadian small and medium business are forgoing investment because of skilled labor shortages
Canadian small and medium business represent the majority of job creation in this country

So it means it a real problem

For example, lets take a restaurant. What is the position in a restaurant that is short staffed? Is it shortage of chefs? Bus boys? Restaurant managers?
lets not and settle on 53% of Canadian small and medium business

Which of these and how many of these positions are short staffed? Of the 1M immigrants, how many of them have these necessary skills and aren't taking up jobs in these positions?
enough otherwise there would not be a skilled labor shortage


Unless you can answer that, you do not have the data to make an assertion.
sure i do
more than half of Canadian small and medium business are forgoing investment because of skilled labor shortages
Canadian small and medium business represent the majority of job creation in this country



That is an incredibly stupid statement to make.

Canadian employers DO NOT, and I repeat DO NOT, interview or give offers to people who are not PHYSICALLY PRESENT in Canada. It DOES NOT happen.
we have already fixed you of this confusion
international job placement agencies in canada - Google Search



Immigrants will come here, apply, interview and get jobs. So a job offer pre-requisite is neither necessary nor makes any sense.
nope, one can apply for positions all over the globe


I have one more question:
What if an immigrant comes here with a necessary skill to fill one of the short staffed jobs, but simply decides to do something else? You know free country and all?
his/ her choice
however if he / she rejects a job offer to fill one of the short skilled staffed jobs then its the back of the line
& allow a different highly skilled immigrant apply for that position
if he/ she has the right skill set that enables them to acquired multiple job offers, all the power to them

but we both know the vast majority of the million did not receive any job offer , otherwise there would not be a skilled labor shortage
my guess is most did not apply & defaulted to your worn out excuses


Canada is offering an opportunity of a lifetime, to become a Canadian citizen ... all that required is a job offer

So out of the 1M immigrants how many decided to switch careers? Give me specific numbers.
not enough to satisfy the skilled positions needed by 53% of Canadian small and medium business

maybe a better question is out of the 1MM immigrants how many are working?
And how many of the 1MM immigrants are making more / less than the national average salary ?
And how many are of the 1MM immigrants paying more / less than the national average in taxes?
Give me specific numbers or realize how god damn foolish you have been

we do know that of the 1MM immigrants lots want housing & all will need health care

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue
 
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JohnLarue

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I will repeat.

I get to pick and choose what topics I debate and with whom I debate them. I do not owe any responses to racists other than to dismiss them entirely.

PS: You are responding to my response to another person. Lets keep our discussion to only one thread.

hmm you request has been noted and after careful consideration... rejected

do not dictate terms to me
WTF is wrong with you
if you are unwilling to refute the claims that higher immigration is exacerbating our housing shortage and strain our already strained health care system, then the facts stand on face value

higher immigration is exacerbating our housing shortage and strain our already strained health care system
both sound arguments for dialing back immigration and increasing the importance of having a job offer as an acceptance criteria


the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue
 

krealtarron

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hmm you request has been noted and after careful consideration... rejected

do not dictate terms to me
WTF is wrong with you
if you are unwilling to refute the claims that higher immigration is exacerbating our housing shortage and strain our already strained health care system, then the facts stand on face value

higher immigration is exacerbating our housing shortage and strain our already strained health care system
both sound arguments for dialing back immigration and increasing the importance of having a job offer as an acceptance criteria


the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue
I am not debating this topic with you as you responded to my response to someone else.
 

krealtarron

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sure i did, it is your attempt to avoid the facts


it means more than half of Canadian small and medium business are forgoing investment because of skilled labor shortages
Canadian small and medium business represent the majority of job creation in this country

So it means it a real problem


lets not and settle on 53% of Canadian small and medium business



enough otherwise there would not be a skilled labor shortage




sure i do
more than half of Canadian small and medium business are forgoing investment because of skilled labor shortages
Canadian small and medium business represent the majority of job creation in this country



That is an incredibly stupid statement to make.



we have already fixed you of this confusion
international job placement agencies in canada - Google Search




nope, one can apply for positions all over the globe


I have one more question:



his/ her choice
however if he / she rejects a job offer to fill one of the short skilled staffed jobs then its the back of the line
& allow a different highly skilled immigrant apply for that position
if he/ she has the right skill set that enables them to acquired multiple job offers, all the power to them


Canada is offering an opportunity of a lifetime, to become a Canadian citizen ... all that required is a job offer



not enough to satisfy the skilled positions needed by 53% of Canadian small and medium business

maybe a better question is out of the 1M immigrants how many are working?
And how many are making more / less than the national average salary ?
And how many are paying more / less than the national average in taxes?

Give me specific numbers or realize how foolish you have been

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue
Got it so you dont have any data to support your assertion and you were talking out of your ass (as usual).

Unless you have data with the specificity I asked for, your claim holds no water and you simply belong in the same trash bucket as simp. He uses "housing and healthcare" as a cover. You use "job offer" as a cover. When in reality your actual and only real issue is with the skin colour of the immigrants. Hence why you decided to immediately jump on the "you are trying to socially engineer" bandwagon.

Oh and by the way, you never want to go for those "international placement agencies". They are mostly immigration fraud. And no, no respectable employer will give someone who isn't physically present in Canada, who does not have immigration status in Canada a job.
 

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Got it so you dont have any data to support your assertion and you were talking out of your ass (as usual).
what in the world is wrong with you ?

Are you stating this to be untrue?

dated Jan 6, 2023 Canada is in the midst of a skilled labour shortage
53% of small and medium size business' will forgo profit seeking investments because of a lack of skilled labor
this is a real world problem and it has real significant detrimental impacts on our productivity and economic growth ./ stability
you do not get to ignore it, simply because you did not specifically ask for it

what in the world is wrong with you ?

Unless you have data with the specificity I asked for, your claim holds no water and you simply belong in the same trash bucket as simp.
what in the world is wrong with you ?
i do not care what you specifically asked for >>> go get it yourself

i have proven we have a skilled labor shortage which current increased immigration has not addressed
provide data which refutes this or admit you are wrong about this as well


He uses "housing and healthcare" as a cover. You use "job offer" as a cover. When in reality your actual and only real issue is with the skin colour of the immigrants. Hence why you decided to immediately jump on the "you are trying to socially engineer" bandwagon.
housing health care are real world issues & a job offer is confirmation of targeted policy criteria
like a child, you dismiss what you do not like.

As usual the loonie left play the race card when they are losing an argument


Oh and by the way, you never want to go for those "international placement agencies". They are mostly immigration fraud.
bull shit,
pure rhetoric
people get placed to international positions all the time



And no, no respectable employer will give someone who isn't physically present in Canada, who does not have immigration status in Canada a job.
bull shit,
initial interviews can be conducted via video teleconference, followed up by a trip to Canada for an in person interview
if the candidate is the right fit the company will cover the cost of the trip

you seemed very confused about the value that is being offered here
it is an exceptional privilege to be offered Canadian Citizenship
It is not a given right
and all that is being asked is a job offer


the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue
 
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JohnLarue

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I am not debating this topic with you as you responded to my response to someone else.
you do not get to select the issues

do not dictate terms to me
WTF is wrong with you
if you are unwilling to refute the claims that higher immigration is exacerbating our housing shortage and straining our already strained health care system, then the facts stand on face value

higher immigration is exacerbating our housing shortage and straining our already strained health care system
both sound arguments for dialing back immigration and increasing the importance of having a job offer as an acceptance criteria


the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue
 
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