Why are you scared to even mention the articles from CBC, CNN, Bloomberg, BBC? Does your bigotry let you comprehend an article?
Million Immigrants in 2022 - Thanks Fidel
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There is nothing to "refute". Do you know the meaning of the word refute? lol.
There is nothing anti-white about non white people immigrating to Canada.
Also, Canada constitutionally upholds itself as a pluralistic country. Meaning a country of many cultures simultaneously existing.
For a guy yammering on about western culture you sure dont even know what our constitution upholds as Canadian values.
You should be the one packing up and leaving to Antartica where everything is white. And when you get there dont diss the penguins because they are half black.
I dont care about the articles. I dont care about the numbers. I dont care if there 10 MILLION NON WHITE immigrants tomorrow. I will welcome them with open arms while kicking your ass down the cliff.
You just admitted that over 1 million immigrants entered Canada. Are you dumb? Why do you hate Western culture so much? Your bigotry has no place here, you need to leave.
So not only are you a bigot but you are also a violent thug. Typical of the left.
I guess you did not read my comment? So you have poor reading comprehension as well. What else can I expect from an angry white guy upset by so many immigrants.
Tell me how does it feel to be a bigot who constantly sees people immigrating but cannot do anything about it?
Why can't the left comprehend simple logic? Where are you going to house 10 million immigrants? Where are they going to get healthcare? Where will they get family doctors when there are 6 million Canadians without a family doctor? Oh wait, they must be white so it doesn't matter that they don't have a family doctor right?
This is why you can't have reasonable debates with these bigoted ideologues because they are completely detached from reality. They live in their own delusion while still refusing to refute facts even published by their own rags like the CBC and BBC. And when they're cornered they resort to name-calling and violence. You are a disgusting human being, I don't think even immigrants would return your embrace with open arms.
Lets stay focused on your actual issue. Lets not digress talking about healthcare, housing or your moral outrage over a meme.
The bottom line is there is no debate to be had with people like you. For you housing, healthcare etc are just a cover for our own bigotry.
YOUR ONLY AND PRIMARY PROBLEM IS THE SKIN COLOUR OF THE PEOPLE IMMIGRATING.
what is wrong with you?
your question was answered
& if you want any specific data you can search for them yourself
WTF ??
dated Jan 6, 2023 Canada is in the midst of a skilled labour shortage
53% of small and medium size business' will forgo profit seeking investments because of a lack of skilled labor
it paints a very clear picture
you would have to be stunned not see this completely backs up what I have been stating
obviously the million immigrants in the last two years have not addressed the issue
the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to
1 million people entered the country, they need housing, they use the healthcare system, can you put your radical ideology aside for a couple minutes and realize that the infrastructure is busting at the seams?
Where are you going to house 10 million immigrants? What brilliant fucking idea do you have that will allow housing and feeding 10 million immigrants if they come tomorrow? You're just a violent bigot.
You did not answer my question. You gave me a google search link which leads to Stats canada website that shows various industries with shortages.
I asked for specific detail on positions. For example:
If there is a shortage of 49% in Construction, what does that mean? Which position are we short of:
- The bricklayer?
- The engineer drawing up blueprints?
- The foreman?
- etc etc
Which position ? How many of those have shortages? What skills do the immigrants have that are not filling these positions?
The devil is in the details. Get into the details if you can. If you cannot, then you just dont have any data to be basing your assertions on.
As simple as that.
And I am not going to search on my own. You made the assertion, you bring the data to support it.
I do have another radical idea. We should increase immigration to fill those shortages. Which is what will happen in the future.
You said that we are not focusing on filling "in demand" positions. So I ask again. Do you know what those are or do you not?
State what those "in demand" positions are. State how many of those positions are open. State how many exact number of immigrants we need to fill those positions. State how many immigrants with skills to fill those positions are coming in. Give me actual numbers. Not words like "less", "more" or "excessive".
Actual numbers.
the race card is the go-to for the loonie left ideologues when they are losing an argument
i made it crystal clear if an immigrant has in-demand skills, is willing to work had and contribute, leave the religious / ethic hatred back in the old country 7 can obtain a job offer then 'Welcome to Canada"
i also pointed out the in general i have found most immigrants to be decent, hard working , family oriented people
yet he still defaulted to the race card
its pathetic and actually quite disturbing behavior'
Dude, your a joke, if you refuse to even address the articles I posted when this thread first began, what makes you think I will answer your questions now? Douche bags like you are why the west is becoming more polarized. I hope you have fun having an orgy with ten million immigrants. And you can rest assured unlike your liberal communist ass I will make bank on the backs of this new underclass.
I would love to have an orgy with all the immigrants. You can fetch me the towel and my condoms and jerk off in the corner.
As I said I will not engage a racist resorting to a "housing and healthcare" cover story. There is no debate to be had with the likes of you.
And keep dreaming about "making bank" on the backs of these immigrants. In most cases they are smarter than you and will earn much more than you. You will just be on the sidelines complaining about how they are "taking your jobs".
Be gone, you racist troll.
You defaulted to race. I simply said the anglo-saxon nature of Canada will change as a result to mean that there will be social changes and you immediately jumped and attributed race to it and said I was trying to socially engineer changes. Its your fault not mine.
So you do acknowledge that unfettered immigration leads to rising housing costs and lower healthcare?
I'm in the process of buying a rental property and will soon have immigrants paying me exorbitant amounts of money to rent a room. I figure I could probably fit ten young immigrant men in a boarding house type of situation.
I did not say they don't count. I said I won't engage in a debate with you about their struggles because their struggles are no concern to you in reality. You only care about the skin colour of the immigrants.
And sure hope you rent it out to immigrants. It is called participating in an economy. Maybe if you are so concerned you should rent the room to 10 poor white men you are so "concerned" about.
it lead to the cyrstal clear statement
it addressed your question
btw
i really do not care what specifics you want
look them up your self
i charge out at far more than you are willing to pay
53 % of businesses willing to forgo investment / profit because of skilled labor shortages tells the story
illogical, obstinate, obnoxious and lazy , had a lack of job offers did ya?
53 % of businesses willing to forgo investment / profit because of skilled labor shortages supports the facts of the matter
increase immigration to those with job offers?
sure
53 % of businesses willing to forgo investment / profit because of skilled labor shortages supports the facts of the matter
53% is excessive
here you go , actual numbers
1,000,000 new immigrants in the past two years & as of Jan 202, 3 53 % of businesses willing to forgo investment / profit because of skilled labor shortages
the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to
there was 600 points of merit in a job offer
now there is 50 points
it is a statistical certainty that altering this criteria will reduce the number of placements into in demand positions
which is the primary objective of our immigration system
reducing the value of a job offer from 600 to 50 points is watered down criteria
only a fool or a uncompromising partisan ideologue (a fool by any other name) would argue it is not watered down criteria
I am posting the article below not because I support its
view point. To the contrary I think our immigration policy
should target rich investors like Jacinda Ardern did for
New Zealand which the article is critical of.
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New Zealand Labour government targets rich investors in immigration “reset”
20 May 2021
New Zealand’s Labour Party-led government, which includes the Greens, has escalated its attacks on the working class with an impending “reset” of immigration policy to target wealthy investors while limiting entry for those classed as “low-skill” and low-wage workers.
In a May 17 speech setting out the government’s intentions for immigration, Economic Development Minister Stuart Nash said its policies would include making it harder for employers to take on workers from overseas, other than in areas of “genuine skills shortages.”
Nash, who was filling in for Immigration Minister Kris Faafoi, said once the borders fully open after COVID-19 shutdowns there will be no return to previous immigration settings. “That path is a continuation of pressures on our infrastructure, like transport, accommodation, and downward pressure on wages,” he declared. The government would “encourage employers to hire, train and upskill more New Zealanders to fill skill shortages.”
The move is in line with Labour’s 2017 immigration policy, carried through with its then-coalition partner, the right-wing anti-immigrant NZ First Party, to slash net migration—at that time around 70,000 a year—by up to 30,000 by cutting back on international students and “low skilled” workers. Labour has simultaneously kept New Zealand’s annual refugee intake at just 1,500, one of the lowest in the world.
In October 2019, Labour introduced new class-based restrictions on immigration, blocking thousands of parents from joining their adult children in New Zealand. Under changes to visa requirements, a resident or citizen must now earn over $106,000 a year to bring one parent, or $159,000—more than three times the median salary—to bring two. Officials estimated that 85 percent of parents on the waiting list were ineligible for residency under the new rules.
Until the border closed in March 2020, there was a policy in place to import temporary workers and fee-paying students while making it much harder for migrants to gain permanent residency. In the past decade, the number of people on temporary work visas doubled from fewer than 100,000 to more than 200,000. There was a huge increase in demand for residency, with around 80 percent of applications under the
Skilled Migrant Category coming from onshore applicants.
While tightly controlled, immigration has contributed to 30 percent of the total population growth since the early 1990s. Currently one in four New Zealand residents was born abroad. Temporary migrant workers make up almost five percent of New Zealand’s labour force—the highest share compared to other OECD countries. Entire industries, such as tourism, retail, hospitality and agriculture, have become dependent on these highly-exploited workers, who have no rights to unemployment and other benefits.
COVID-19 has seen immigration grind to a halt. The country had a net migration gain of just 6,600 people last year. This has, according to Nash, given a “once-in-a-generation” chance for sweeping policy change. The “reset” threatens to force thousands of visa holders and current residents into a no-man’s land. Those targeted for restrictions are on the two lowest “skill level” bands. The only ones unaffected are low paid “fly-in-fly-out” seasonal workers from Pacific island countries.
Like governments internationally, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s government is responding to the social crisis triggered by COVID-19 by scapegoating immigrants and
stoking nationalism. The economy’s “reliance” on low-wage workers is presented as the fault of immigrants, when in fact it is due to policies imposed by successive governments and trade unions, who have suppressed wages and attacked living standards over the past three decades.
On May 12 and 13 hundreds of migrants rallied in Wellington, Auckland, Christchurch and regional centres to protest their dire situation. Many have relatives who have been stranded for more than a year outside the country, separated from their families, jobs and homes. Thousands, including many designated as skilled workers, are facing delays of two years or longer after applying for residency. Those who are turning eighteen face losing their current status and becoming non-persons in the complex immigration system.
Many migrants hit back publicly at the government. Aeron Davis, a doctor who moved from London last year, told Radio NZ he feared it would take years to obtain permanent residency. His two teenage children cannot get jobs or go to university without paying exorbitant international fees. Davis fears thousands of families are similarly waiting in limbo with fewer employment rights, social benefits and less
security.
The government has already created border exceptions to allow more than 200 wealthy international investors to enter the country over the next 12 months. Under the so-called Innovative Partnerships Programme and Trade and Enterprise Investor Programme, representatives from global companies are given open entry, purportedly to encourage “direct investment, job creation and skills.”
Defending the new immigration regime, Ardern said the use of migrant labour had been “a type of exploitation by some employers” and served to suppress wages, which was “unfair to migrants and New Zealander workers.”
The line was echoed by the trade union funded Daily Blog, which declared that “mass immigration… has undermined domestic wages, created a housing crisis and put enormous stress on our infrastructure while contributing to climate change and migration worker exploitation.” Fewer migrants “means less competition for jobs and houses for the domestic working classes,” it falsely claimed.
In fact, the move has nothing to do with eliminating rampant exploitation but is aimed at dividing workers and suppressing resistance to deepening austerity measures. The Labour government has just imposed a three-year wage freeze across the public sector and changed industrial laws to put the trade unions at the centre of policing the lowest paid workers, including tens of thousands of non-union members, through mis-named Fair Pay Agreements.
Anti-immigrant demands have been a cornerstone of the Labour Party and the trade unions for over a century. From its founding in 1916, Labour was fiercely nationalist and stoked divisions in the working class by encouraging racism and xenophobia. Like its Australian counterpart, Labour supported what was widely known as the “white New Zealand” policy, which imposed drastic restrictions on immigration from China and other Asian countries. The restrictions remained, in one form or another, until the 1970s.
The trade unions continue to agitate against foreign workers. The Maritime Union and E tū have both used the COVID-19 pandemic to insist on protecting the jobs of New Zealanders “first.” In 2018, Unite applauded a government decision to temporarily ban migrants from working at Burger King. Last year, FIRST Union sought to divert attention from its role in defending the company in a pay dispute by criticising the government for allowing NZ Bus to bring in foreign drivers.
Anti-China rhetoric is meanwhile being stepped up to prepare the population for a looming US-led war against China. Between 2017 and 2020, Labour and the Greens were in government with the NZ First Party, which regularly demonised Chinese, Indian and Muslim immigrants. This year has seen a sharp increase in attacks against Asian immigrants, amid a propaganda offensive over Beijing’s purported “influence” in the country’s politics, businesses and academia and bogus claims that China’s Wuhan laboratory was responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19.
view point. To the contrary I think our immigration policy
should target rich investors like Jacinda Ardern did for
New Zealand which the article is critical of.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
New Zealand Labour government targets rich investors in immigration “reset”
20 May 2021
New Zealand’s Labour Party-led government, which includes the Greens, has escalated its attacks on the working class with an impending “reset” of immigration policy to target wealthy investors while limiting entry for those classed as “low-skill” and low-wage workers.
In a May 17 speech setting out the government’s intentions for immigration, Economic Development Minister Stuart Nash said its policies would include making it harder for employers to take on workers from overseas, other than in areas of “genuine skills shortages.”
Nash, who was filling in for Immigration Minister Kris Faafoi, said once the borders fully open after COVID-19 shutdowns there will be no return to previous immigration settings. “That path is a continuation of pressures on our infrastructure, like transport, accommodation, and downward pressure on wages,” he declared. The government would “encourage employers to hire, train and upskill more New Zealanders to fill skill shortages.”
The move is in line with Labour’s 2017 immigration policy, carried through with its then-coalition partner, the right-wing anti-immigrant NZ First Party, to slash net migration—at that time around 70,000 a year—by up to 30,000 by cutting back on international students and “low skilled” workers. Labour has simultaneously kept New Zealand’s annual refugee intake at just 1,500, one of the lowest in the world.
In October 2019, Labour introduced new class-based restrictions on immigration, blocking thousands of parents from joining their adult children in New Zealand. Under changes to visa requirements, a resident or citizen must now earn over $106,000 a year to bring one parent, or $159,000—more than three times the median salary—to bring two. Officials estimated that 85 percent of parents on the waiting list were ineligible for residency under the new rules.
Until the border closed in March 2020, there was a policy in place to import temporary workers and fee-paying students while making it much harder for migrants to gain permanent residency. In the past decade, the number of people on temporary work visas doubled from fewer than 100,000 to more than 200,000. There was a huge increase in demand for residency, with around 80 percent of applications under the
Skilled Migrant Category coming from onshore applicants.
While tightly controlled, immigration has contributed to 30 percent of the total population growth since the early 1990s. Currently one in four New Zealand residents was born abroad. Temporary migrant workers make up almost five percent of New Zealand’s labour force—the highest share compared to other OECD countries. Entire industries, such as tourism, retail, hospitality and agriculture, have become dependent on these highly-exploited workers, who have no rights to unemployment and other benefits.
COVID-19 has seen immigration grind to a halt. The country had a net migration gain of just 6,600 people last year. This has, according to Nash, given a “once-in-a-generation” chance for sweeping policy change. The “reset” threatens to force thousands of visa holders and current residents into a no-man’s land. Those targeted for restrictions are on the two lowest “skill level” bands. The only ones unaffected are low paid “fly-in-fly-out” seasonal workers from Pacific island countries.
Like governments internationally, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s government is responding to the social crisis triggered by COVID-19 by scapegoating immigrants and
stoking nationalism. The economy’s “reliance” on low-wage workers is presented as the fault of immigrants, when in fact it is due to policies imposed by successive governments and trade unions, who have suppressed wages and attacked living standards over the past three decades.
On May 12 and 13 hundreds of migrants rallied in Wellington, Auckland, Christchurch and regional centres to protest their dire situation. Many have relatives who have been stranded for more than a year outside the country, separated from their families, jobs and homes. Thousands, including many designated as skilled workers, are facing delays of two years or longer after applying for residency. Those who are turning eighteen face losing their current status and becoming non-persons in the complex immigration system.
Many migrants hit back publicly at the government. Aeron Davis, a doctor who moved from London last year, told Radio NZ he feared it would take years to obtain permanent residency. His two teenage children cannot get jobs or go to university without paying exorbitant international fees. Davis fears thousands of families are similarly waiting in limbo with fewer employment rights, social benefits and less
security.
The government has already created border exceptions to allow more than 200 wealthy international investors to enter the country over the next 12 months. Under the so-called Innovative Partnerships Programme and Trade and Enterprise Investor Programme, representatives from global companies are given open entry, purportedly to encourage “direct investment, job creation and skills.”
Defending the new immigration regime, Ardern said the use of migrant labour had been “a type of exploitation by some employers” and served to suppress wages, which was “unfair to migrants and New Zealander workers.”
The line was echoed by the trade union funded Daily Blog, which declared that “mass immigration… has undermined domestic wages, created a housing crisis and put enormous stress on our infrastructure while contributing to climate change and migration worker exploitation.” Fewer migrants “means less competition for jobs and houses for the domestic working classes,” it falsely claimed.
In fact, the move has nothing to do with eliminating rampant exploitation but is aimed at dividing workers and suppressing resistance to deepening austerity measures. The Labour government has just imposed a three-year wage freeze across the public sector and changed industrial laws to put the trade unions at the centre of policing the lowest paid workers, including tens of thousands of non-union members, through mis-named Fair Pay Agreements.
Anti-immigrant demands have been a cornerstone of the Labour Party and the trade unions for over a century. From its founding in 1916, Labour was fiercely nationalist and stoked divisions in the working class by encouraging racism and xenophobia. Like its Australian counterpart, Labour supported what was widely known as the “white New Zealand” policy, which imposed drastic restrictions on immigration from China and other Asian countries. The restrictions remained, in one form or another, until the 1970s.
The trade unions continue to agitate against foreign workers. The Maritime Union and E tū have both used the COVID-19 pandemic to insist on protecting the jobs of New Zealanders “first.” In 2018, Unite applauded a government decision to temporarily ban migrants from working at Burger King. Last year, FIRST Union sought to divert attention from its role in defending the company in a pay dispute by criticising the government for allowing NZ Bus to bring in foreign drivers.
Anti-China rhetoric is meanwhile being stepped up to prepare the population for a looming US-led war against China. Between 2017 and 2020, Labour and the Greens were in government with the NZ First Party, which regularly demonised Chinese, Indian and Muslim immigrants. This year has seen a sharp increase in attacks against Asian immigrants, amid a propaganda offensive over Beijing’s purported “influence” in the country’s politics, businesses and academia and bogus claims that China’s Wuhan laboratory was responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19.
New Zealand Labour government targets rich investors in immigration “reset”
Labour’s class-based immigration policy is part of a sweeping attack on the social position of the entire working class.
www.wsws.org
Again that is not what I asked. I asked for specific positions.
53% of businesses have skilled labor shortages is a vague non specific statements. What specific skilled labor positions? How many? Out of the total immigrants coming here, how many have the skills to fill those specific positions? Out of the 1M, discount the students and others without work visas. Amongst the PRs and people with work visas, how many were absorbed into other industries? Again specific numbers. Not vague statements.
