Don’t Believe The Hype: Woke Is Real And It’s Dangerous

toguy5252

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I'll never tire of watching Marxists eating their own

Ana Kasparian, of the left wing hosts of The Young Turks, was put on blast this week on Twitter for "using trans-exclusionary language" when she Tweeted out the obvious: that she was a woman.


Kasparian added. "I'm sure a lot of women don't want to be minimized to a bodily function or body part," she said in a later Tweet.


As was predicted by many in the responses, Kasparian was roasted by many "trans-allies".

"Those words are meant for AFAB [assigned female at birth] people as a category, not individual people. Get a grip," transgender journalist Katelyn Burns responded to Kasparian.

"Who called you that? I've only ever heard that used when referring to a population, not an individual person," another user wrote. "Obviously, those terms are meant to be precise to include all people who meet one of those characteristics, when needing to discuss a relevant topic."



"I respect you a lot, but this notion that the mere existence of trans-inclusive terms (rarely used in casual convos) somehow degrades women comes right out of the right's anti-trans 'war on women' playbook," added Mike Figueredo of The Humanist Report.

"I have zero problem with inclusion. None. But there’s gotta be a better way than boiling it down to a body part, no? Especially in the context of having reproductive rights taken away from people who just see woman as a baby-making vessel. That’s all I’m saying," Kasparian said in response.

"Your comment section has turned into a lunatic asylum. Some people just can't accept your remarks," Ian Miles Cheong concluded.
You are proving my point. To you and your friends wokeism has be ome a catchphrase for every grievance you have and your posts have nothing to do with what being woke is all about.
 

bver_hunter

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It another form of communism tactic that what woke or wokesim ! It woke tactic is use to destroy capitalism or western to bring another form of socialism or big government!

Woke means anti White
Anti Logic, Anti Reason, Anti Truth, Anti Biology, Anti History, Anti American, Anti Constitution,and anti-male, anti-female, anti-family, anti-reality…etc…


It's almost exactly how we were warned the commies would act.
Maybe you should ask the Moderators to remove the "Gays and Transexual" Forum from this Board as it is "Anti-Female and Anti-Male" in your above Extreme right wing dictionary!!
 

bver_hunter

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Why are you obsessed with the way some people choose to live their lives.
That is because they are in line with the views of these types of far right individuals, including the online ones like "Libs of TikTok":

Far right protests targeting the LGBTQ community show a troubling correlation with violent attacks

Across the country, right-wing extremists with guns have been showing up at libraries and churches to intimidate parents and children attending drag queen story hours. Groups such as the Proud Boys conflate the reading of books by members of the LGBTQ community with the predatory "grooming" of kids.

Hospitals that provide gender-affirming care have received death threats after being targeted by social media influencers like Chaya Raichik, the former real estate agent who runs the "Libs of TikTok" account on Twitter, and featured in prime-time diatribes by Fox News's Tucker Carlson.

Other soft targets for the hard right have included gay pride parades. Over the summer, 31 members of the neo-Nazi Patriot Front were arrested in Idaho after a concerned citizen reported seeing them loading up a U-Haul with what looked to be a "little army" of men in riot gear.

By the end of November, far-right activists took part in at least 55 public actions targeting members of the LGBT+ community — up from 16 the year before, an increase of some 340% — with a corresponding rise in violent attacks on people perceived to be gay or transgender, according to a report released this week by the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project, or ACLED.


Open white nationalism is still the most common feature of far-right protests and militia activity, according to the group, which began monitoring the American far-right in 2020 after years of reporting on political violence abroad. Of the roughly 750 far-right events that have taken place this year — on track to exceed the 780 held in 2021 — some 21% have been explicitly racist in nature, a finding that comes after the FBI issued a report warning that white supremacists continue to "pose the primary threat" of domestic terrorism, account for more than half of all politically motivated killings over the last decade.

While racism remains the primary driver of the far right, anti-LGBTQ actions have "fueled the largest increase in far-right protest activity," the report states, with the rise in such activity "strongly" correlating with a rise in violent attacks, of which there have been no fewer than 20, including the murder last month of five people at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs. Though we don't have a specific motive the suspect has a history of online and offline bigotry.

Such deadly attacks are often carried out by self-styled vigilantes who are not formally members of any far-right group, Roudabeh Kishi, director of research at ACLED, said in an interview. But where those groups are most active is tied to where attacks then take place.

"They have been inspired by the rhetoric that they might be seeing online, and by the mobilization they might be seeing offline," Kishi said. "Those people are then deciding to take matters into their own hands and engage in violence."


It is almost impossible to link any one act of violence to a specific instance of hateful propaganda to which the perpetrator was exposed. It is also hard to pinpoint the beginning of the latest moral panic: Are those on the extremist fringe doubling down on anti-LGBTQ activity because of its established salience as an issue among the mainstream right, or are they in fact driving the conversation?

"The reality is that there is a bit of a feedback loop here," Kishi told Insider. If a mainstream platform airs an attack on a minority group, then radicals will increase their activity around that sort of attack as a means of recruitment — while perhaps masking their other views, such as organizing under the guise of merely standing up for "free speech," a strategy known as entryism (ACLED's data shows that, despite such rhetorical appeals to the First Amendment, a far-right presence at a demonstration makes that protest "nearly five times more likely to turn violent or destructive").

The issue of the day will change over time. In 2020, it was pandemic restrictions, Black Lives Matter, and false claims of voter fraud. In 2021, anti-racism in education, dubbed "Critical Race Theory," was the issue that brought mainstream conservatives and right-wing extremists together. In light of a generally disappointing 2022 election for candidates who dwelled on issues of sex and gender, the next year will likely bring something different — if not altogether new (think "political correctness" in the 1990s becoming "wokeness" in the 2020s).

"It usually ends up being a resurgence of some kind of old narrative, packaged in a new way," Kishi said.

 

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Lily Tang Williams, Chinese immigrant warns what’s happening is similar to Mao’s Cultural Revolution.



”I am a survivor of Mao's Cultural Revolution. Here are some of his revolution features and tactics. You can judge yourself if these look similar with today's American woke cultural revolution.
1. Mao started Cultural Revolution to purge his political enemies and become a "Supreme Leader" to control entire China.
2. His campaign slogan: Destroy the “Four Olds” -- Traditional Ideas, Culture, Habits, and Customs
3. Arbitrary Division of society by using “Critical Class Theory" and identity politics by dividing people into: Oppressors – The Five “Black Classes” Oppressed – The Five “Red Classes”
4. Quasi-religious indoctrination of urban youth “Red Guards”, shut down schools for years for them to do class struggles full time, promote division, hatred, envy and equity.
5. Toppling down statues, putting big posters and spray paintings on the walls, riots, looting, violence, law enforcement told to stand-down.
6. Change school or street names, change words & definitions, censor words, burn relics, temples and churches, demonize all the religions as cults, promote communism as the sole ideology, Mao as a God-like leader.
7. Struggle sessions, public shaming and denouncing, self-criticizing, apologizing, thought reform re-education camps for the "Black Classes".
8. Guilty at birth, by relationship, by association, past words/deeds, lose jobs if you don't comply, silence is violence.
9. Family and neighbors turn on each other, children were told parents are not dearer than Mao, urge teens to change last names to cut ties with their Black Class families to show loyalty to the “revolution”.
10. Redefine social norms, promote unisex gender-less society, girls dress like boys & soldiers, create confusion & social chaos, banned dating in schools.
11. Press & media were controlled by CCP & used for propaganda daily, cancel individual merits, silence dissident voices from all professions, ban books, songs, music, art and comedies that are not PC.
12. Using mob tactics of fear, intimidation, torture and violence, no rule of law, 20M died, many committed suicide including intellectuals and party officials who supported the regime.
Hope you understand why immigrants like me, and many others are very concerned today about America. We want to give our warnings until we stop the destruction of the country we love.”
All 12, taken as a whole, look much more MAGA than woke...
 

mandrill

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Nice in theory but in reality it crap and a hidden form of communism!
How is it a "form of communism", Addy?

The 2 concepts would seem to be totally different.
 

mandrill

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If you accept that civilisations are built on tolerance and inclusion, then woke is simply anti-social, being simply intolerant and exclusive of all who are not like them. All who are not tolerated must be cancelled or at least silenced. These are the fundamental tenets of woke.
But societies are NOT built on tolerance and inclusion. The Confederate States' society was based on exclusion of Blacks except as slave labour for instance. And before 1969 having gay sex was punishable in Canada by imprisonment.

Tolerance and inclusion have to be fought for.
My childhood friend is Eastern Bloc refugee and from the stories her grandmother and
her mother told her they are in shock how they are seeing the same things here( aka woke/ communist tactics ) that they saw in the 40s and 50s there.
You mean mass murder and mass deportation to gulags?

Have I missed something?
 

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I've always thought that woke means acceptance of those not the majority. According to a Right Wing pundit, it means tiers of oppression.
 

toguy5252

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I've always thought that woke means acceptance of those not the majority. According to a Right Wing pundit, it means tiers of oppression.
It now in the parlance if the maga crowd means anything they do not agree with. If the stable genius tomorrow said he didn't like carrots the it would be woke to like carrots.
 

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It is possible for 2 groups to be wrong.
Initially woke was about being aware and sensitive to others. There is real racism out there. I see it up close. There's even more insensitivity. There is a long history in USA of using govt to actively suppress the rights of African Americans. Hence, when a state like Georgia has its republican legislators decide they need to exercise oversight over the local DA's, who are more and more being people of colour, after being democratically elected by citizens, is yet another example consistent with history. Thus any time such underrepresented groups get any power the whites work out ways to undermine it. It's been going on for 150 years. So, being aware of this is a good thing IMHO.
However, if that morphs into punishing people for using the wrong words, etc., then it becomes totalitarian. Can you imagine costing someone their job because they used the wrong pronoun? Thankfully it's rare, but it must be resisted.
However, the Republican definition has morphed into something equally totalitarian. Pretty much any liberal pov is now woke and must be stopped, and using the power of government to punish businesses or people they disagree with. That is the definition of totalitarianism.
 
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Woke in its present form has morphed into an obsessive oppressive cult.
Only as defined by the right-wingers who feel threatened that they will have to morph into having higher morals. What a shame that they will have to consider others.

The things they consider woke are laughable.
 
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I've always thought that woke means acceptance of those not the majority.
But it has to include a sense of what is right and wrong. It has to include morality and social justice.

Right wing fascists are not in the majority but supporting them would not be woke.
 

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If you accept that civilisations are built on tolerance and inclusion, then woke is simply anti-social, being simply intolerant and exclusive of all who are not like them. All who are not tolerated must be cancelled or at least silenced. These are the fundamental tenets of woke.

My childhood friend is Eastern Bloc refugee and from the stories her grandmother and
her mother told her they are in shock how they are seeing the same things here( aka woke/ communist tactics ) that they saw in the 40s and 50s there.
I disagree no where does it say wokeizm is an intolerant thing and I've never seen anyone who is intelligent and socially aware cancel anything. Intolerance comes from ignorance like the people who get their information from Trump and fox News then follow them like lemmings. If you take a look at the conservative base you fine lots of ignorance and intolerance, who here as if you look at people who are so called woke you find better educated and more open and are capable of independent thought which the conservatives think of as dangerous.
 

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I disagree no where does it say wokeizm is an intolerant thing and I've never seen anyone who is intelligent and socially aware cancel anything. Intolerance comes from ignorance like the people who get their information from Trump and fox News then follow them like lemmings. If you take a look at the conservative base you fine lots of ignorance and intolerance, who here as if you look at people who are so called woke you find better educated and more open and are capable of independent thought which the conservatives think of as dangerous.
“There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.” Orwell said that. Long before the better educated started believing that man can became pregnant or that gender is a choice.
 

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But societies are NOT built on tolerance and inclusion. The Confederate States' society was based on exclusion of Blacks except as slave labour for instance. And before 1969 having gay sex was punishable in Canada by imprisonment.

Tolerance and inclusion have to be fought for.

You mean mass murder and mass deportation to gulags?

Have I missed something?
Same tactics used here in the States except for mass murder & mass deportation to gulags( have reach to that point yet)!
 

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I did not know woke had a 100 year old definition.
I'm rounding up.

The "alert to social and/or racial discrimination and injustice" is at least the 40s and arguably the 30s. (So 80-90)
If you include variations of "being politically aware" including anything with "awake" then you can argue it back to the 1800s in the US but I think that's stretching it.

It kicked up during the civil rights era and immediately afterwards and then went mainstream to the general public in the mid 2010s - after which it was almost immediately flipped into an all-purpose attack word on people supporting anything that might address those injustices.

That's why it is now a bunch of different definitions depending who you ask - since it is specifically being used like "CRT" to try and make "everything I don't like about social change" be "woke".

That's why you have people doing the pornography "I can't define it but I know it when I see it" definition.
 
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