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Frankfooter

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Yes, Israel was right to shoot BACK at Palestinian gunmen who shot at them. And considering Hamas, PIJ, and Fatah claimed 10 of the 11 as their fighters, they weren't random civilians like the Jews you keep trying to justify attacks on (the 11th died from a hear attack when Israel deployed tear gas).

Amnesty, HRW, and B'Tselem would all agree that shooting at an arrest team makes you a valid target. They also all agree that simply being Jewish in the West Bank does not, no matter how much you try and pretend.


A bunch of Jews butchered coming from prayers and you stay silent. Jews shot while driving down the highway and you stay silent. Jews shot at on a Tel Aviv patio and you stay silent. You main complaints are when Israel dares to try and stop terrorists.
Amnesty.
I'll listen to them and not the views of a racist like yourself.

Shooting the locals to defend your apartheid rule is not a moral position, basketcase.
Yes, they are using violence to resist a violent apartheid rule.
That is their right, if you want to stop it you need to support a peaceful resolution like I do through BDS.
End the occupation or end apartheid.

Israel/OPT: Jenin bloodshed is a horrifying reminder of the cost of impunity
Responding to the killing of at least nine Palestinians by Israeli forces during a military raid on Jenin refugee camp this morning, Philip Luther, Middle East and North Africa Research and Advocacy Director at Amnesty International, said:

“In the space of just a few hours this morning, Israeli forces killed at least nine people and injured 20 more; blocked ambulances from accessing the wounded; and fired tear gas at a hospital, reportedly causing suffocation injuries to sick children. Medics in Jenin say a child is one of those being treated for gunshot wounds, and Palestinian authorities have confirmed that a 61-year-old woman was among those shot dead.


For almost a year, Jenin refugee camp has been at the centre of Israel’s escalating military crackdown.
Philip Luther, Middle East and North Africa Research and Advocacy Director
“For almost a year, Jenin refugee camp has been at the centre of Israel’s escalating military crackdown. Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh was shot dead in the camp last May, and its residents continue to be subjected to relentless military raids which amount to collective punishment.

“Meanwhile, Israel continues to enjoy total impunity for the system of apartheid it imposes on Palestinians – a system which is partly maintained through violations like unlawful killings. While Palestinian deaths mount, the international response to Israel’s violations consists of little more than timid condemnation at best, and unconditional support at worst.

“Today’s bloodshed is a reminder of the cost of this shameful inaction – until there is accountability, deadly attacks against Palestinians across the Occupied Palestinian Territories will continue.”


And here is the UN:
“We deplore the Israeli army’s latest violent attack against the Jenin Refugee Camp, and the killing and wounding of Palestinians on Thursday. It shows a dangerous trajectory of violence in the occupied West Bank, continuing the alarming upward trend from 2022,” the experts said.

“None of this violence would occur if Israel were to end its illegal, half-century old occupation immediately and unconditionally as required by international law,” they said.
 
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Amnesty.
I'll listen to them and not the views of a racist like yourself.
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Except when you say that Jews being in the West Bank makes them valid targets. In that case, you instead say attacks on random Jews is somehow self defence.

But sure, impunity does describe your view that Palestinians should be allowed to attack random Jews and attack the teams trying to arrest them for their attacks. Again, except for the guy who dies of a heart attack, all of the dead in that incident (and most in similar ones) have been fighters claimed by Palestinian factions to have been involved in the violence.

Amazing how you keep trying to claim some moral high ground while saying Jewish civilians are valid targets but Palestinian gunmen aren't.
 

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Except when you say that Jews being in the West Bank makes them valid targets.
Bullshit, basketcase.
I haven't ever said that.
You clearly have no real arguments left since all you can do is create straw men.

Your racism shows in your total refusal to accept that Palestinians might have the same right to self defence you claim for Israeli Jews.
That's apartheid, very clear apartheid.

Which you support here repeatedly.
As you support an illegal occupation, a racist colonial settler movement and its resulting apartheid rule.

“None of this violence would occur if Israel were to end its illegal, half-century old occupation immediately and unconditionally as required by international law,” they said.
 

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Bullshit, basketcase.
I haven't ever said that.
You clearly have no real arg...
Except all the times you have.

And yes, you have repeatedly described attacks on Jews in the West Bank (and Gaza rockets) as self defence (and compulsively tried to ignore any terror attacks on Jews on the Israeli side of the Green Line.

At the same time, you try to condemn Israel for trying to arrest terror suspects and for daring to shoot back when militant groups fire at them.



p.s. yes, groups like Hamas, PFLP, and PIJ are very clear that their issue isn't Israel occupying the West Bank but rather the presence of Jews in 'their' land. The terrorism started long before 1967 (and long before 1949). Of course you agree with them so you'll never even hint at criticizing their goals of ethnic cleansing.
 

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Except all the times you have.
You're lying and you know it.
I've never said those things and you know there are no quotes.

Meanwhile, the IDF forces raiding Jenin and other refugee camps have been identified as what they are.
Death squads.

Israeli death squad kills four in Jenin

You back Death Squads.


No wonder.
 

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You're lying and you know it.
I've never said those things and you know there are no quotes.

Meanwhile, the IDF forces raiding Jenin and other refugee camps have been identified as what they are.
Death squads.

Israeli death squad kills four in Jenin

You back Death Squads.


No wonder.
Speaking of death squads

 

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WTF are you even talking about?
Keep in mind, you are taking a large leap of faith in assuming that Gilligan understands the concept of logic.

I read his post 3 or 4 times, realized it was never going to make sense, and then just laughed.
 

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You're lying and you know it.
Right out of your playbook. Once again, when you see that you are losing a debate you resort to the "liar" accusation. LOL. As I noted before, why is it that you somehow get into debates with so-called liars more than anyone else? BTW, do you have a mirror?
 

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Keep in mind, you are taking a large leap of faith in assuming that Gilligan understands the concept of logic.

I read his post 3 or 4 times, realized it was never going to make sense, and then just laughed.
It’s no surprise. You can’t be a supporter of Israel and grasp the concept of equality. You’ll do anything to avoid universal human rights.

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Once again you attempt to justify the killing of Israeli civilians.
How is posting the UN statement calling for Israel to end a 53 year old illegal occupation 'justifying killing civilians'?
Are you at the point where even calling for Israel to respect human rights and honour UN resolutions sounds like death threats to you?
 

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You'll do anything to promote ant-Israeli terrorism. You are amoral.
You and basketcase are the only ones on these threads that refuse to call out terrorism.


You have never called out Israeli terrorism, not settler terrorism and not state terrorism.
 

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You're lying and you know it.
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Sadly your posting history verifies it.

As to your link, your extremely one-sided source chooses to ignore that two of the dead were the targets of the arrest attempt, senior leaders in Hamas and PIJ while the other two when they came under fire.


Palestinian media outlets identified the slain men as Yusuf Shreim, 29, a member of the military wing of the Hamas terror group, and Nidal Khazem, 28, a member of Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

They were both later claimed as senior members by their respective terror groups.



But sure, senior members of terror groups are innocent civilians but Jews driving along the road in the West bank are valid targets. :rolleyes:
 

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How is posting the UN statement calling for Israel to end a 53 year old illegal occupation 'justifying killing civilians'?
Are you at the point where even calling for Israel to respect human rights and honour UN resolutions sounds like death threats to you?
The posts where you continually justify the killing of Jews for being in the West Bank are you justifying terrorism.

Your racist elitism in refusing to hold Palestinians as responsible for their actions is tiring.
 
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