Global warming hits Los Angeles

[oil&gas]

They actually think the Poles are going to melt

Actually I do try to be open-minded. I won't rule out
such possibility.

The biggest disappointment in my cursory search through
climate science literature is that I was never able to find
a single study that came to the conclusion of impending
climate catastrophe I can base on to assess the certainty
of the warning message spread by the climate movement.

Computer prediction of complete
Arctic (or Antarctic) melting by the end of 22nd (or 21st)
century was indeed reported around 2003. Much to my
frustration authors of the study made no analysis
on uncertainty of their results and relevance to the real
world. Nor did they follow up their study with refinement of
their climate model.

Questioning global warming has little merit when all is
known about its impact on the climate future is weather
will be worsening if we continue burning fossil fuel.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Actually I do try to be open-minded. I won't rule out
such possibility.

The biggest disappointment in my cursory search through
climate science literature is that I was never able to find
a single study that came to the conclusion of impending
climate catastrophe I can base on to assess the certainty
of the warning message spread by the climate movement.

Computer prediction of complete
Arctic (or Antarctic) melting by the end of 22nd (or 21st)
century was indeed reported around 2003. Much to my
frustration authors of the study made no analysis
on uncertainty of their results and relevance to the real
world. Nor did they follow up their study with refinement of
their climate model.

Questioning global warming has little merit when all is
known about its impact on the climate future is weather
will be worsening if we continue burning fossil fuel

We have to get off fossil fuels anyways because oil will only last for another 45 years.
For now it looks like electric cars based on nuclear power is the way to go.
Getting electricity from coal plants doesnt work either because coal is a major CO2 producer

 

[Frankfooter]

Actually I do try to be open-minded. I won't rule out
such possibility.

The biggest disappointment in my cursory search through
climate science literature is that I was never able to find
a single study that came to the conclusion of impending
climate catastrophe I can base on to assess the certainty
of the warning message spread by the climate movement.

Computer prediction of complete
Arctic (or Antarctic) melting by the end of 22nd (or 21st)
century was indeed reported around 2003. Much to my
frustration authors of the study made no analysis
on uncertainty of their results and relevance to the real
world. Nor did they follow up their study with refinement of
their climate model.

Questioning global warming has little merit when all is
known about its impact on the climate future is weather
will be worsening if we continue burning fossil fuel.

You didn't look here, did you?

IPCC — Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

www.ipcc.ch

 

[oil&gas]

We have to get off fossil fuels anyways because oil will only last for another 45 years.
For now it looks like electric cars based on nuclear power is the way to go.
Getting electricity from coal plants doesnt work either because coal is a major CO2 producer

Forget about EV phasing out ICE cars,. EV revolution is a scam. The world
simply doesn't have sufficiently cheap and abundant resources of nickel,
cobalt, copper and other mineral resources to replace existing ICE cars
with EVs. The most likely scenario is natural gas phasing out oil as the
main transportation fuel while nuclear plus wind and solar filling in
for power generation. Remaining crude oil resources have to be conserved
for industrial chemical production.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The most likely scenario is natural gas phasing out oil as the
main transportation fuel while nuclear plus wind and solar filling in
for power generation. Remaining crude oil resources have to be conserved
for industrial chemical production.

Coal and natural gas will last until somewhere between 2060 to 2090: https://mahb.stanford.edu/library-item/fossil-fuels-run/

Then we're gonna need a new fuel source

 

[oil&gas]

I think/hope earth is endowed with more natural gas than known.
Siberia alone has vast undeveloped natural gas resources sufficient
to meet the energy needs of China and India (while Europe is scrambling
to burn all the forest and coal they can lay their hands on) through the
transition to the post oil era.

 

[JohnLarue]

I'd agree that man-made climate change based on output of computer
simulation is not a hoax. Climate emergency I am not so sure.

The planet is still emerging from an ice age
Some warming is to be expected

Why the need to a fix " man-made" to a natural process?

A hoax?
There has been some mis-representation / outright fraud (Michael Mann) / data manipulation (East Angela) and very nasty behavioral issues , which raises some very serious concerns about the credibility of the "Climate Science" . A new scientific discipline which has only been a stand alone discipline since the hype began.

Are all climate scientists frauds ? Absolutely not.
Has biased worked its way into "Climate Science" ? Yes
Has politics / money worked its way into the "Climate Science" presented to the public ? yes
This is and will continue to be a roadblock on the path to a better understanding of our climate system

Does a trace gas measured in parts per million control our extremely complex, dynamic and chaotic climate system?
No

a climate emergency?

Believing we can control our climate is delusional

The resources that have been applied and will be applied to this non crisis is staggering

There are more than enough problems where these resources could be better applied
1. Educating women in the 3rd world >> this dramatically slows birth rates
2. clean drinking water for hundreds of millions
3. polluted lakes and rivers
4. over fishing of the oceans
5. affordable reliable energy for hundreds of millions

 

[oil&gas]

Actually I do try to be open-minded. I won't rule out
such possibility.

The biggest disappointment in my cursory search through
climate science literature is that I was never able to find
a single study that came to the conclusion of impending
climate catastrophe I can base on to assess the certainty
of the warning message spread by the climate movement.
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Latest finding in my literature research into prediction of
impending climate catastrophe.
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Armstrong McKay, David I., et al. "Exceeding 1.5 C global warming could trigger multiple climate tipping points." Science 377.6611 (2022): eabn7950.

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We identify nine global “core” tipping elements which contribute substantially to Earth system functioning and seven regional “impact” tipping elements which contribute substantially to human welfare or have great value as unique features of the Earth system (see figure). Their estimated CTP thresholds have significant implications for climate policy: Current global warming of ~1.1°C above pre-industrial already lies within the lower end of five CTP uncertainty ranges. Six CTPs become likely (with a further four possible) within the Paris Agreement range of 1.5 to <2°C warming, including collapse of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets, die-off of low-latitude coral reefs, and widespread abrupt permafrost thaw. An additional CTP becomes likely and another three possible at the ~2.6°C of warming expected under current policies.

CONCLUSION
Our assessment provides strong scientific evidence for urgent action to mitigate climate change. We show that even the Paris Agreement goal of limiting warming to well below 2°C and preferably 1.5°C is not safe as 1.5°C and above risks crossing multiple tipping points. Crossing these CTPs can generate positive feedbacks that increase the likelihood of crossing other CTPs. Currently the world is heading toward ~2 to 3°C of global warming; at best, if all net-zero pledges and nationally determined contributions are implemented it could reach just below 2°C. This would lower tipping point risks somewhat but would still be dangerous as it could trigger multiple climate tipping points.
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Sounds like you all can give away your ICE cars and switch
to public transport tomorrow and the climate tipping point will
still be breached. No words on people dying off but still not ver
encouraging.

 

[Frankfooter]

Science deniers are so wacked.

 

[Frankfooter]

There are more than enough problems where these resources could be better applied
1. Educating women in the 3rd world >> this dramatically slows birth rates
2. clean drinking water for hundreds of millions
3. polluted lakes and rivers
4. over fishing of the oceans
5. affordable reliable energy for hundreds of millions

Transitioning to renewables will help fix a lot of those problems, larue.

 

[DinkleMouse]

I applaud everyone that's still trying to educate these deniers, but I gave up years ago. The ice caps could be gone, the water level could be 40 feet higher, and average annual temperatures could be over 50, and they'd still be posting memes, laughing, and saying it's the same as it always was, it's cyclical and natural, or whatever new nonsense excuse they come up with.

Pretty sure half of them are just trolls anyway.

 

[oil&gas]

I applaud everyone that's still trying to educate these deniers, but I gave up years ago. The ice caps could be gone, the water level could be 40 feet higher, and average annual temperatures could be over 50, and they'd still be posting memes, laughing, and saying it's the same as it always was, it's cyclical and natural, or whatever new nonsense
excuse they come up with.

Pretty sure half of them are just trolls anyway.

You don't have to educate those deniers to fight climate change. Take to the
street to protest. Oil and gas production is still growing under the auspices of
Trudeau and the Liberals.

 

[Frankfooter]

You don't have to educate those deniers to fight climate change. Take to the
street to protest. Oil and gas production is still growing under the auspices of
Trudeau and the Liberals.

Whatever.

Oil, Chemical Companies Sue To Overturn Canada Plastics Ban

www.barrons.com

 

[basketcase]

They actually think the Poles are going to melt

Have you bothered looking at the data?

Arctic Sea Ice Minimum | NASA Global Climate Change

Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. Current news and data streams about global warming and climate change from NASA.

climate.nasa.gov

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p.s. The Poles seem to be rally ramping up their military in fear of Russia.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The ice caps could be gone, the water level could be 40 feet higher, and average annual temperatures could be over 50, and they'd still be posting memes, laughing, and saying it's the same as it always was, it's cyclical and natural, or whatever new nonsense excuse they come up with

Oh noes, we're all gonna die!!!!

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Have you bothered looking at the data?
View attachment 216421

Arctic Sea Ice Minimum | NASA Global Climate Change

Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. Current news and data streams about global warming and climate change from NASA.

climate.nasa.gov

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p.s. The Poles seem to be rally ramping up their military in fear of Russia.

Climate is changing, isnt it???

 

[DinkleMouse]

Oh noes, we're all gonna die!!!!

I mean, that is almost certainly the result.

 

[oil&gas]

Oh noes, we're all gonna die!!!!

I mean, that is almost certainly the result.

It is tough to be in perpetual anticipation of having
to face your doom some day. Nonetheless, life can
still be joyful and fun while awaiting your demise.

 

[DinkleMouse]

It is tough to be in perpetual anticipation of having
to face your doom some day.

Are you under the impression you're going to live forever?

We're all going to "face our doom" someday. I'm just if the mind that it would be nice if we didn't completely destroy the planet's ability to sustain human life after we're gone, that's all.

 

[oil&gas]

Are you under the impression you're going to live forever?

I am under the impression that climate alarmists' warning messages
imply world's population specifically those of the younger generation are
going to die prematurely on a massive scale if global emission level is to
remain elevated or worse continue rising.

We're all going to "face our doom" someday. I'm just if the mind that it would be nice if we didn't completely destroy the planet's ability to sustain human life after we're gone, that's all.

The trend appears to be for world's leaders to make pledge to reduce
carbon emission to zero in the near future so as to gain support from
their people. That allows them to gain or stay in power so they can profit
themselves through collusion with big businesses including
Big Oil to carry on with pillaging Earth's remaining fossil fuel and other
resources. The best you can do is to vote out such deceptive leaders
and hope for the best.