Covid-19 most likely came from a lab leak,,,,,,,,,duh

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There's almost no doubt that Covid-19 originated in the Wuhan lab- intentionally or not. What EVERYONE needs to start asking is why China is so hell bent on the zero covid policy? What do they know?
The reports state that they have low - moderate confidence that it was a lab leak. There is considerable doubt about the conclusion.
 
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And now the FBI director says its "most likely"

I think people need to understand that current reports could likely be softened with diplomatic language. It's also possible the U.S. diplomatic core didn't want the government challenging China on the origins of the virus in 2020.
 
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I think people need to understand that current reports could likely be softened with diplomatic language. It's also possible the U.S. diplomatic core didn't want the government challenging China on the origins of the virus in 2020
They also dont want to give Trump too much credit
 
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The reports state that they have low - moderate confidence that it was a lab leak. There is considerable doubt about the conclusion.
The virus came from China, the city of Wuhan where a lab experimented on Corona virusus- all confirmed. The Chinese whistle-blower said as much in 2020. Now, politics, media and the government agencies are catching up, timidly, to the obvious. There is zero doubt, if there ever was.
 

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And now the FBI director says its "most likely"

The Dept of Energy also said that…but then they qualified it by saying they arrived at their conclusion with “low confidence”:

“Wray’s statement corroborates the Energy Department’s conclusion that the first outbreak of Covid “likely” stemmed from a lab leak. The Energy Department reached this assessment with “low confidence,” though it has prompted new deliberations about the credibility of the lab leak theory and the safety concerns surrounding Chinese laboratories.”

At this point I don’t know what to make of this. They are stating that it was “likely” a lab leak but they have “low confidence” in this conclusion. WTF does that even mean?
 

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The virus came from China, the city of Wuhan where a lab experimented on Corona virusus- all confirmed. The Chinese whistle-blower said as much in 2020. Now, politics, media and the government agencies are catching up, timidly, to the obvious. There is zero doubt, if there ever was.
There was never any doubt that the virus came from the city of Wuhan. The debate is over whether it came from a lab leak or a wet market.
 

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The Dept of Energy also said that…but then they qualified it by saying they arrived at their conclusion with “low confidence”:

“Wray’s statement corroborates the Energy Department’s conclusion that the first outbreak of Covid “likely” stemmed from a lab leak. The Energy Department reached this assessment with “low confidence,” though it has prompted new deliberations about the credibility of the lab leak theory and the safety concerns surrounding Chinese laboratories.”

At this point I don’t know what to make of this. They are stating that it was “likely” a lab leak but they have “low confidence” in this conclusion. WTF does that even mean?
It's hard to admit that one is wrong. "Likely " is the face saving device. After all, it's all been "debunked", proclaimed fake and the offenders, who pointed at the lab leak, have been cancelled, silenced and ridiculed. Sad that it happened in the free world, but true, nonetheless.
 
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There's also the fact China is a very important trading partner.
They probably dont wanna ruffle their feathers too much
 

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This is the smartest thing you, Knuckleball and others have acknowledged here even if it's a bit half-assed Western apologist bullshit. You are essentially saying we will never know because the Chinese will never cooperate. That really should be the conclusion of this thread.
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It's apologist to acknowledge that China will reject any international oversite on purely philosophical grounds? Okay then.

And yes, most of us have made that conclusion. Maybe you should have a word with those who keep making claims that it must be a lab leak without evidence.
 

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There's almost no doubt that Covid-19 originated in the Wuhan lab- intentionally or not. What EVERYONE needs to start asking is why China is so hell bent on the zero covid policy? What do they know?
Face. Same reason dictators in places like Russia and Iran tried pretending they didn't have covid deaths.

But it does put some logical questions to this being a lab leak because if China was truly researching/manipulating this particular virus, they'd know there is no way to get covid zero.
 

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Perhaps there is a comprehension issue for some who believe the "lab leak" theory.

I always thought with only conjecture to go on (no hard evidence available either way) you can see the risk of the Wuhan Labs sampling bat viruses from nearby caves. As we know, one lab technician can get infected with the novel virus, take it home and quickly a million Chinese are infected. Now the situation I described is not exactly an organic event.

Having said that, there appears to be a comprehension issue for some of what constitutes actual evidence.
It could be. But the outbreak pattern being centred around a market 30 km away from the lab makes it less likely.
 

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The Dept of Energy also said that…but then they qualified it by saying they arrived at their conclusion with “low confidence”:

“Wray’s statement corroborates the Energy Department’s conclusion that the first outbreak of Covid “likely” stemmed from a lab leak. The Energy Department reached this assessment with “low confidence,” though it has prompted new deliberations about the credibility of the lab leak theory and the safety concerns surrounding Chinese laboratories.”

At this point I don’t know what to make of this. They are stating that it was “likely” a lab leak but they have “low confidence” in this conclusion. WTF does that even mean?
People are misunderstanding the use of "most likely" there and the WSJ deliberately made their headline more misleading to stoke that.

The more likely is just concerning lab leak or not. It is "more likely" that it came from a lab than from zoonotic spillover in the market according to the DOE.
However, they have "low confidence" (which means the evidence is fragmented, inconsistent, and not certain enough that it should be acted on) of that conclusion.
 
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