Covid-19 most likely came from a lab leak,,,,,,,,,duh
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The virus came from China, the city of Wuhan where a lab experimented on Corona virusus- all confirmed. The Chinese whistle-blower said as much in 2020. Now, politics, media and the government agencies are catching up, timidly, to the obvious. There is zero doubt, if there ever was.
You don't need to run a car into a brick wall to stop it, you just need to turn the acceleration into deceleration and wait.
The Dept of Energy also said that…but then they qualified it by saying they arrived at their conclusion with “low confidence”:And now the FBI director says its "most likely"
WATCH: FBI Director Chris Wray Says Covid ‘Most Likely’ Emerged From Lab, China Attempting to ‘Thwart’ Investigation
FBI Director Chris Wray revealed the FBI's stance on the origins of Covid by offering his assessment that the coronavirus "most likely" emerged from a lab leak.www.mediaite.com
“Wray’s statement corroborates the Energy Department’s conclusion that the first outbreak of Covid “likely” stemmed from a lab leak. The Energy Department reached this assessment with “low confidence,” though it has prompted new deliberations about the credibility of the lab leak theory and the safety concerns surrounding Chinese laboratories.”
At this point I don’t know what to make of this. They are stating that it was “likely” a lab leak but they have “low confidence” in this conclusion. WTF does that even mean?
There was never any doubt that the virus came from the city of Wuhan. The debate is over whether it came from a lab leak or a wet market.
It's hard to admit that one is wrong. "Likely " is the face saving device. After all, it's all been "debunked", proclaimed fake and the offenders, who pointed at the lab leak, have been cancelled, silenced and ridiculed. Sad that it happened in the free world, but true, nonetheless.
There's also the fact China is a very important trading partner.
They probably dont wanna ruffle their feathers too much
They probably dont wanna ruffle their feathers too much
It's not proof in any way. I know the human brain likes making patterns where there isn't any but you can at least try to post some evidence.
It's apologist to acknowledge that China will reject any international oversite on purely philosophical grounds? Okay then.
And yes, most of us have made that conclusion. Maybe you should have a word with those who keep making claims that it must be a lab leak without evidence.
Face. Same reason dictators in places like Russia and Iran tried pretending they didn't have covid deaths.
But it does put some logical questions to this being a lab leak because if China was truly researching/manipulating this particular virus, they'd know there is no way to get covid zero.
It could be. But the outbreak pattern being centred around a market 30 km away from the lab makes it less likely.
Yep, thousands of scientists faking their research just to make Trump's unsupported blathering sound rational.
p.s. Weren't people complaining about making this political?
FBI says they have proof, but they cant divulge because its classified
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.alj...hina-lab-leak-likely-source-of-covid-pandemic
People are misunderstanding the use of "most likely" there and the WSJ deliberately made their headline more misleading to stoke that.
The more likely is just concerning lab leak or not. It is "more likely" that it came from a lab than from zoonotic spillover in the market according to the DOE.
However, they have "low confidence" (which means the evidence is fragmented, inconsistent, and not certain enough that it should be acted on) of that conclusion.
Thats exactly what he said. It would have to be proof, what else could it be.
But of course you have trouble putting 2 and 2 together, just like you did from the start of the lab leak theory
Fair enough. But now the White House is saying there is no consensus on the origins of the virus. That's a long, long way from the gaslighting that occurred of anyone who uttered "lab leak" in 2020. This WSJ headline below seems fair based on the quotes.
White House Says No Consensus on Covid Origin
There is no consensus within the Biden administration over the origins of the pandemic, an official said after the disclosure of an Energy Department assessment that the coronavirus likely leaked from a Chinese lab.
www.wsj.com
Per the WSJ article: National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said that President Biden is determined to nail down where Covid started but there continues to be broad uncertainty within the administration about its origins. He declined to comment on the Journal article.
“There is not a consensus right now in the U.S. government about exactly how Covid started,” Mr. Kirby said at a briefing Monday. “We’re just not there yet,” he said. “If we have something that is ready to be briefed to the American people and the Congress, we will do that.”
At the risk of being didactic, note President Biden is determined to nail down where the virus originated. They're just not there yet.
What about all the evidence that basketcase keeps inferring exists?
Valcazar, we had an interesting exchange awhile back. (Probably more interesting for me than you.) I was contrasting to you another left wing member. I said they were an ideologue and you were a partisan. You disagreed and said that you were an ideologue.
To me, an ideologue is not interested in finding the truth. They are firmly on a political path and the objective is all that matters. That's why social media gets infested with impassioned but clumsy posts usually propped up by biased media reports.
From our days back at MERB, I always think you try to keep an open mind and our disagreements generally come from our political principles rather than ridiculous declarations.
To me, an ideologue is not interested in finding the truth. They are firmly on a political path and the objective is all that matters. That's why social media gets infested with impassioned but clumsy posts usually propped up by biased media reports.
From our days back at MERB, I always think you try to keep an open mind and our disagreements generally come from our political principles rather than ridiculous declarations.
